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Another hurdle to jump at inspection time..

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Just read in the paper the state legislature is about to debate passing more regulations regarding vehicles passing inspection--one new law under consideration will require a vehicle with ANY tires over 6 years old,to not be allowed to pass inspection...

Well,that'll mean every tire on everything I have will be "rejected"...:doah:
I've had tires in good shape that are well over 10 years old before I even bought them used,and got several years use out of them..

I bet some tires sit on shelves 6 years before they even get sold..another burden the average Joe shouldn't have to bear,just to have a vehicle pass inspection..:mad:...they are also planning to increase the costs of registrations,licences,and inspections also...
 
diesel4me said:
Just read in the paper the state legislature is about to debate passing more regulations regarding vehicles passing inspection--one new law under consideration will require a vehicle with ANY tires over 6 years old,to not be allowed to pass inspection...

Well,that'll mean every tire on everything I have will be "rejected"...:doah:
I've had tires in good shape that are well over 10 years old before I even bought them used,and got several years use out of them..

I bet some tires sit on shelves 6 years before they even get sold..another burden the average Joe shouldn't have to bear,just to have a vehicle pass inspection..:mad:...they are also planning to increase the costs of registrations,licences,and inspections also...
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****, that would DQ all of my vehicles, my mom and dad's cars, their truck, and all of my spares. This reeks of special interest groups pushing agenda to force people to buy newer tires for no reason. There should be a set of guidelines as to what is considered safe and unsafe, like sidewall cracking and spilt tread, excessive wear, what have you. The age thing is BULL****.
 
I have seen so many problems with tires that are 5+ years old, that I will not buy used tires more than a couple years old.

I thought old tires were a legitimate concern, no?
Am I just unlucky?
 
I agree its BS,but maybe because a lot of newer tires I see are already badly cracked could fail,due to crappy rubber from China,is why they are pushing this agenda..more likely someone has stock in a tire company on the legislature I would not doubt..

I've had some nice "Tiger Paw" radials that were maybe 2 years old, put on my van (used), back in 2003 go flat after getting weather cracks from the sun exposure,badly enough that refilling them only keeps them "up" a few days..the van is off the road and has sat 10+ years..

After tiring of having to inflate one front tire twice a week to avoid complaints about having an "eyesore" in the driveway,
I ended up putting an original tire & rim that came on the van in 1990 when I bought it I had stashed away--it was a "Tribune" tire,made in either Japan or China,and despite being left outside for 15 years before I threw it in my shed,where it sat a good 5 more--that tire still looks great,no cracking,it never lost a pound of air,and is still fully inflated...other tires I have bought since 2000 cracked so bad I didn't dare drive on them within a few years..

I still say they should judge tires by condition,not age...if anything the age of the DRIVER should be something they pay more attention too!--after almost getting run over in a parking lot by a 80+ year old grandma who is evidently deaf and almost blind,I think the car and tires are much less of a hazard!..
 
You are right.

These were a BIT older than 6 years (lol) but you get the picture: http://coloradok5.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3393484&postcount=10

I had ~8 year old BFG's (bought them new myself) that leaked very slowly from cracking at the root of the lugs towards the end of their life. Tire store guy that sold them to me took a look and said for runs to the dump, sure, keep them. Freeway trips? No. I took his word for it, and since I could see the cracking (upon close inspection) and the air loss with soapy water, I took one that didn't leak as a spare, and got rid of the rest.

I'm not sure if it's due to reduced "quality" of tires to keep costs down, or if rubber toxins in the air are worse than they used to be (not getting into a global warming debate) or what, but I seem to recall old tires lasting FOREVER without nearly as much "dry rot" as you see on newer tires.

My BFG's had MAYBE 20K on them, and the truck was parked where the tires were never exposed to direct sunlight for 99% of the time they were on it.

If the state had just raised the taxes on new tires AND implemented this as part of the inspection, I would see it as a money grab. If there is no monetary interest the state has in it, whether too soon or not, it's being approached as a safety issue.

The argument for age vs. condition is that they can rot from the inside. I didn't dismount any of my old ones to check, but obviously the cracking went through the whole tire or it wouldn't have leaked.
 
It does seem like the new tires arent holding up like tires used to.

I have also seen a set of new tires put on a blazer, driven maybe 500 miles and then parked 10 years. After 10 years I pulled it out of the weeds (no flats and only lost 10psi per tire) and for the last several months it has been driven quite a bit, and they still look brand new. Still nice and black, and absolutely no cracking.
 
I can understand both sides of this, but it does seem like someone in the gov is related to someone in the tire business. Maybe it's just my distrust of any scumbag who tells me what to do, and that it's for my own good.

I'm lucky to get two years out of a set of tires. Maybe it's my driving habits.
 
79rustyk10 said:
I can understand both sides of this, but it does seem like someone in the gov is related to someone in the tire business. Maybe it's just my distrust of any scumbag who tells me what to do, and that it's for my own good.

I'm lucky to get two years out of a set of tires. Maybe it's my driving habits.
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It does suck that there are people that NEED to be told what to do...but picture any big parking lot without lines painted.
 
For the most part, It's not so bad. Here in mn we deal with that for almost half the year anyway from all the snow.

My ford did get messed up from a stupid girl who thought it was ok to drive the wrong way through a directional parking lot after a blizzard. I guess she didn't understand why all the cars were pointing the other way. I made her cry though, so that made me feel a little better.
 
If new tires were still on sale for 59.95 each for typical 15 or 16" sizes our trucks use,then I'd buy new ones...but with them at 150+ each,it would exceed the worth of my truck to buy 4 new ones...

Other than tires I have lost to potholes and road hazards like someone's muffler I ran over in the dark,all my tires fail from dry rot LONG before the tread ever wore out..(not counting the ones I smoked off my '69 GTO doing burnouts :D)..

I've tubed some and used them years longer after they would lose air tubeless in a week or so,but I dont go far or fast on interstates either--if I had to,I'd have new tires..for the "go to the dump and plow the driveway,and go 5 miles to shop" uses,the salvage yard "decent" used rubber has gotten me by for 20+ years and I haven't had any issues as far as blowouts causing a crash...

Next thing they'll want is for every vehicle to have a battery less than 3 years old--because it "might not start and cause a hazard"...now that you cant find a new battery thats any good for less than 80 bucks...
 
xenomarine said:
****, that would DQ all of my vehicles, my mom and dad's cars, their truck, and all of my spares. This reeks of special interest groups pushing agenda to force people to buy newer tires for no reason. There should be a set of guidelines as to what is considered safe and unsafe, like sidewall cracking and spilt tread, excessive wear, what have you. The age thing is BULL****.
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There is a set of guidelines, and it looks like they are adding age to the list of guidelines. Sh!t gets old, and fails. Plain and simple. Tires don't have to be cracking or bald to be unsafe. Tires aren't just chunks of rubber, they are layers of material bonded over one another. Time, heat, cold and heat cycles can and do cause tread separation.


When your ****ty 20 year old tire blows, and you're upside down in a ditch, after killing a woman and child in a mini van; that's too late for an inspection.

And this whole "I only drive to the junkyard, and plow my yard, and go to the mega-lo mart, the rules shouldn't apply to me!" Line is BS. Wanna be road legal? Pay up, sucker. Just because you choose not to drive on the highway, doesn't mean your registration doesn't give you the right to do that and the rules to do that safely shouldn't apply you. if you don't like the laws, buy a bike or a bus pass.
 
-stew- said:
and the rules to do that safely shouldn't apply you. if you don't like the laws, buy a bike or a bus pass.
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Other than the fact that I can borrow my buddies tires to pass inspection, or lose all my brake lights the day after inspection, and still be good for a year.

Realistically, if the state is going to certify that my vehicle is "safe", when it fails due to something that was inspected, or someone elses vehicle has a failure and I am harmed due to that, do we get to hold the STATE liable for the failure of the inspection system?

Responsibility has and always should reside with those who are doing whatever activity they are engaging in. I have no belief whatsoever that the safety inspections make driving more safe. Judging solely by fatality rate vs. vehicle miles driven here: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/departments/nrd-30/ncsa/STSI/USA WEB REPORT.HTM North Carolina, which had state inspections when I was there (been just a couple of years lol) has a higher fatality rate than Washington, where we don't have any sort of vehicle inspection outside of emissions.
 
dyeager535 said:
Other than the fact that I can borrow my buddies tires to pass inspection, or lose all my brake lights the day after inspection, and still be good for a year.

Realistically, if the state is going to certify that my vehicle is "safe", when it fails due to something that was inspected, or someone elses vehicle has a failure and I am harmed due to that, do we get to hold the STATE liable for the failure of the inspection system?

Responsibility has and always should reside with those who are doing whatever activity they are engaging in. I have no belief whatsoever that the safety inspections make driving more safe. Judging solely by fatality rate vs. vehicle miles driven here: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/departments/nrd-30/ncsa/STSI/USA WEB REPORT.HTM North Carolina, which had state inspections when I was there (been just a couple of years lol) has a higher fatality rate than Washington, where we don't have any sort of vehicle inspection outside of emissions.
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This.

Also this side of WA doesn't even have emissions.
 
Carcinogen said:
This.

Also this side of WA doesn't even have emissions.
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I agree the "inspections" are a farce--easy to get around and few places chech everything they are required too--otherwise it would take all day to inspect 3 or 4 vehicles,if they did all the RMV says is nessasary..

Friends in Florida I know dont have inspections,and though they could get away with using "defective equipment",none do--after all,who enjoys worrying about old bald dry rotted tires popping at any moment on a busy insterstate,or wants to trust a vehicle with parts about to fail on a trip anywhere ?...I certainly do not...

Unfortunately my financial status wont allow me to buy new tires or fix some things "right" on my truck...if I could it would be in perfect operating condition,believe me...I dont drive it if I feel its "dangerous"...it has passed inspection recently,only the e-brake was the only sore spot--it'll work,but probably never release once its applied...mostly because I never used it!..

I'm not saying I should be allowed to use "20 year old tires",even I am not THAT cheap--:rolleyes:

I put that old Tribune tire on my van just so I could move it around the yard,not daily drive it!..(though I probably would trust it as a spare)...but I see no reason why perfectly good used tires should be scrapped just because they had their 6th birthday,when 3 of those years were likely spent sitting on some shelf in a warehouse either...

Politicians just lie awake nights dreaming up new ways to screw us,thats the bottom line here...they also "outlawed" using tire plugs inserted from outside the tire years ago here,because their theory is the tire casing could be damaged and not seen unless it was taken off the rim--yes,maybe a few people died or were injured due to that--but thousands of shops still put plugs in tires weekly despite the "law",and the rate of failures must be pretty low,otherwise it would be all over the news,places would be getting fines or people getting jailed for using them...and no law says I cant put plugs in my own tires at home too...
 
So glad I moved out of that state. Its just one thing after another. I guarantee you Town Fair Tire is somehow related or involved in this.
They ratted on people from MA going to their branches over the tax free New Hampshire border to save a few $$ on the MA sales tax. Now, if you have MA plates and show up at a NH Town Fair Tire, they charge you MA sales tax.
 
My Camaro tires must be 15 years old. I actually don't even like taking them on the highway. I can't imagine people who don't know any better driving on old tires. 6 years is kinda ridiculous though.
 
The brand new tires I just spent $2600 were 2 years old when they got mounted on my truck. No F'n way Im gonna go do that again in 4 years when they will likely still have 70% tread on them.
 
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