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box the frame or run a cage tied to the frame?

should i box entire frame or do well designed cage?

  • box entire frame with cage

    Votes: 13 44.8%
  • well designed cage tied to frame with boxin front hangers and steering gear box

    Votes: 16 55.2%

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    29

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cant make up my mind, did alot of research and cant seem to decide what i wana do. should i box the entire frame and run a cage? or you guys think just well designed cage tied to the frame and jus box steering box and front hangers will be good?:dunno: im not to easy on my truck ethier. i wouldnt be suprised if i found cracks in the frame already.
 
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I say box the front end to about the trans x-member. And then do your cage. Unless you are doing a motor age also, in which case box the front end anyways. :)

Only because of all the stress it sees from the motor, steering, suspension, shocks, transmission, in/out of passengers.

Not to mention, overkill is never unnecessary.
 
If your doing a cage anyways just do a cage. Install a frame stiffner plate each place the cage ties into the frame and be done with it.

Boxing is effective but nearly as effective as a cage.
 
Boxing the frame is only efficient at adding strength to the frame from vertical loads (think of a pickup with a lot of weight in the bed, you want to add vertical members at the front of the bed).

For adding strength to a frame in regards to twisting it (like when you've got 2 wheels on the ground), the most efficient way to add strength is by increasing the diameter of the structure. Ideally, you would move the two frame rails farther apart from each-other (not very practical). Instead, adding a well-designed cage that spreads the rotational loads from the original frame further out will make things a lot stronger without adding tons of unnecessary weight.

The problem with the frame at the steering box is the bending stress due to the poorly supported passenger-drivers-direction force. Adding a rigid member connecting the frame horns (such as a bumper that is loaded in compression/tension under this load), keeping the member under the radiator in good condition, a good engine crossmember, etc. are the most efficient ways to deal with that problem. The ORD brace takes that rotation of the steering box and transfers it to a compressive load across the brace to a compressive load across the member under the radiator. You want to reduce or eliminate as much bending stress as possible by replacing it with compressive/tension. Boxing the frame at the box will help by tying the top and bottom horizontal planes together, but it is one of the least efficient ways to deal with that force. I'm not saying there's a lot of better options though. Actually, adding horizontal plane to the frame would be a lot better if it were possible to fit it...such as cutting off the top of the frame and welding in some 2x.250" strap maybe. Or maybe you could work it in to the design of some shock hoops...:dunno:

Hydro assist is by far the best thing you can do to reduce stress at the steering box.
 
I boxed the front to the T-cases and caged it front to back and it's been beat and held up well. I've seen desert trucks that were just caged and they held up well also. I like boxing the front since it's hard to effectively cage through the firewall and it gets worked there pretty good.

I caged mine first and it made a big difference so don't be afraid to to that part by itself.
 
ya the main thing that just worrys me bout not boxing at all is jus the front hangers and gear box and all the stress those parts see. thas why im interested in boxing those. then i can build a cage to support the rest.
 
I boxed the front to the T-cases and caged it front to back and it's been beat and held up well. I've seen desert trucks that were just caged and they held up well also. I like boxing the front since it's hard to effectively cage through the firewall and it gets worked there pretty good.

I caged mine first and it made a big difference so don't be afraid to to that part by itself.

That's good to know, as that's what a friend is doing now with his crew cab. A few pictures.

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I'll box completely from end to end on every one I build from here on out.
 
Instead of starting with a stock frame has anyone ever built one out of tube or rect/box tubing? I'm sure somebuddy somewhere has. Just if the weakest part of the frame is right after the area you boxed wouldn't it be easier to start with something that had less flaws? Or would most guys just put that in the category of too time consuming? Just bouncing thoughts around.
 
Instead of starting with a stock frame has anyone ever built one out of tube or rect/box tubing? I'm sure somebuddy somewhere has. Just if the weakest part of the frame is right after the area you boxed wouldn't it be easier to start with something that had less flaws? Or would most guys just put that in the category of too time consuming? Just bouncing thoughts around.

Definitely have considered it and I don't think it'd be that terrible bad to do.
 
Instead of starting with a stock frame has anyone ever built one out of tube or rect/box tubing? I'm sure somebuddy somewhere has. Just if the weakest part of the frame is right after the area you boxed wouldn't it be easier to start with something that had less flaws? Or would most guys just put that in the category of too time consuming? Just bouncing thoughts around.

I don't know alot about metallurgy but I think starting a ground up build this is what I would do.

It just seems easier to me. Of course all the frames I have built in the past have been jeep frames and don't splay out in the back, but still shouldn't be too hard.

I have often considered a tube frame, that would be easier to match the factory curves and stuff
 
I just think it would be easier to start with than something that you have to extensively modify and hope doesnt fail. A tube frame and full passenger cage and engine cage with the right size metal should be plenty strong and very rebuildable. Only downfall I can see is not being able to replace parts like suspension hangers or transmission mounts with something stock unless you fab another one up, but if your building the frame all of that should be a piece of cake.


Hey, maybe diy4x should start offering a basic frame kit.....
 
That's good to know, as that's what a friend is doing now with his crew cab. A few pictures.

All those pictures look awfully familiar. Hmmm could it be...:whistle::D

I know nothing about how well it will hold up. What I do know, is how much work it is to box a frame. It is tough, and time consuming. just plain a lot of work. Hopefully it lives up to my expectations...
 
Instead of starting with a stock frame has anyone ever built one out of tube or rect/box tubing? I'm sure somebuddy somewhere has. Just if the weakest part of the frame is right after the area you boxed wouldn't it be easier to start with something that had less flaws? Or would most guys just put that in the category of too time consuming? Just bouncing thoughts around.

It would be a much better frame than stock, especially if you ran the rails farther apart to give more torsional rigidity, not to mention more room to run the exhaust past the tcase.

But then, why not just build a 3D tube chassis and skin a body around it...I use a modified stock frame because I'm lazy and I wanna drive it while I'm building it.

And then at that point, the Blazer body really kind of sucks for wheeling. I hate wheeling with a house in front of my windshield. So why bother with a Blazer body, even if it's just skinned on there. But then, that's kind of what bgreen did with the Freak
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Everything's a sacrifice, mostly due to our own laziness lol
 
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personally, with my own rig, i'll be caging it from bumper to bumper. boxing the frame doesn't protect your head when you flop onto the roof. and after building a cage, boxing the frame wouldn't improve much of anything.
 
So, when you guys are building the cage and tying it into the frame are you solid mounting it? If yes, are you attaching it to the body solid as well? What are you doing with the flexible body mounts?
 

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