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DD into Stealership for Horn and they want more

I bought an extended warranty once. Three months later after spending $600 on parts (I did labor) to fix issues with the car that the warranty didn't cover I threatened to park the car in the salesman's office and he gave me my money back for the warranty.

When we bought a new car for my wife the salesman tried to get us to buy some kind of extra warranty and after telling him no for an hour he gave it to us for free. I still suspect that when it comes down to it if we have some kind of failure the warranty wont cover it.

I have no interest in buying any kind of warranty with my vehicles. But then again the newest vehicle I own and drive is an 85.:dunno:
 
sweetk30 said:
guy I know with gm factory ext found out the hard way of the info I posted. maybe it was different from the gm buyout/bankrupt stuff and now its new gm and different . :dunno:
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The drivetrain warranty is not an extended warranty. If you get an extended bumper to bumper warranty when you purchase the car it is 3rd party.
 
They would be doing you a favor if they three that K&N away for you.

Martin
 
Personally not a big fan of K&N myself, but they seem to work alright as long as you maintain them regularly and do not over-oil them on an EFI engine.

I swamp my air filters often enough that I just run paper filters and swap them out after each wheeling trip.
 
Russell said:
Personally not a big fan of K&N myself, but they seem to work alright as long as you maintain them regularly and do not over-oil them on an EFI engine.

I swamp my air filters often enough that I just run paper filters and swap them out after each wheeling trip.
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$25 a pop for paper and $50 for k&n... I dont wheel so figured I run a k&n in the 78 mudder, 96 camaro, 05 trailblazer, my 08 silverado when i had it.. so why not this....

economically it pays for itself... :popcorn:


i figure the k&n line was an excuse to get me to allow them to do the throttle body clean for $130 plus they figured if I say yes.. why not squeeze more out of me and get the gas treatment done.

since a saturn dealer is closing by us my neighbor went to firestone to get his oil changed. He said it was cheaper so why not. He does so every 5k miles. The Firestone guy said.. you should have your throttle body cleand for $180 or whatever it was. He said I get saturn to do everything every 5k so it was just done. Firestone guy was like.. ok then.
he went back to Saturn and talked to the lead service guy and asked him if he needed it done. The guy laughed and said... do you know what we do? we tell the customer they need the fuel system cleaned and/or throttle body cleaned and all we do is pour a gas treatment bottle in the tank. That is it... $4 cost for $ 200-$300 profit.....
Guy didnt care to admit it because he no longer has a job and will be in the unemployment line.. funny how people will tell ya stuff when they are not on the hook...
 
The main reason why I don't run K&N is the severe service that my truck is put to. It sees a LOT of very dusty conditions and I regularly soak / plug up my filters with mud and muck (which amazes me, I don't know how it gets in there half the time haha!) I'd rather have a paperfilter which gets ruined but protects the engine than a cotton filter that lets dust into my turbocharger and throughout the rest of the engine.

On the street it's probably perfectly fine. Even offroad it probably is most of the time too.
 
RootBreaker said:
hah gotcha... maybe it is dust/dirt mites!!!! :haha:
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I need a snorkle to get my air intake up and out of the way. My airbox is open on the bottom and despite the inner fender, outer fender, core support and battery box protecting it I still manage to get chunks of mud on my filter.
 
To play devils advocate for a second... On a car that never received a regiment of fuel system cleaner, and has build up on injectors the GM top engine cleaner that goes right in the fuel rail does amazing things. That in fact is no bull****.

My friend works at a dealership and always thought it was bull****. He has a 3.4 mid 2000s monte carlo that he bought with 120,000 on it. Clocked his MPG at 17mpg city and did the top end treatment at the advice of another tech and since it only cost him like $20 for the can of stuff. 24mpg city later he made a believer out of both of us...



That being said this happens all the time. We brought the work truck to fire stone for front brakes simply because me and my bud are just too busy to worry about fixing work **** anymore whether we get paid or not. We put 2 new calipers on it last year. Guess what a simply rotor cut and pad swap turned to $700 because they decided it needed two front calipers... If only I cared lol.
 
Russell said:
It sees a LOT of very dusty conditions
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I ran some K&N's in the past, but the amount of dust/dirt accumulation after the filter was surprising.

I switched back to a paper wix. Is the flow really worth pumping that much dust through your motor?
 
Do you like dirt in your engine? How about misreading MAF sensors?

The answers to those questions are the same as the one asked by DHComp.

Martin
 
yup, for the .00003 % of a hp ya gain, dirt in the motor and NUISANCE of having to clean the filters, I'm ALL about Wix papers in my vehicles...

I do enough washable/oil air seps on the big dizzles in the boats.. that's enough... :haha:
 
ryoken said:
I do enough washable/oil air seps on the big dizzles in the boats.. that's enough... :haha:
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My last 2 ski boats are stock K&N. Didn't dawn on me til now, but there probably isn't too much dirt floating around in the air on the middle of a lake....or ocean.
 
I only see Air Seps on big Detroits, etc... all gas motors have to have a flame arrestor..

I've NEVER seen a K@N in a boat... but I don't work on many mastercrafts and such anymore..... you'd NEVER see that factory on a Sea Ray, etc.. it's all about stock Merc...
 
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