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Deuling's 1985 K5. "Restart thread on post #8415"

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76zimmer said:
DIY4X fender stickers add 25hp, but if subtlely placed and noticed their worth 40-50 depending on location...:pimp:




Fast costs $$$$, how fast do you want to go?



I call that the snowball effect... you start with a snowball to throw at it ($$$), the more you get into it, the farther you want to go with it, and next thing you know your pushing the foundation for a snowman ($$$$$).



Adam, what did you use for a bender on your BBII?
I got that speedway bender which works good, nothing like a JB2 but it'll get the job done. I have a little bending to do over the winter, but if you want to use it you can. I would start with a cage for the front seats, then if your serious about going fast, I think you need to go front to rear with it to tie the frame all together.
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The stickers were placed very well.... lol:thumb:

And yes i wa go fast, I WANNA GO FAST :D, it will take lots of money yes I know and I dont mind, its just gonna take a while to get there which is fine by me, one project at a time so I can still have it driveable and enjoy it.

And for the BII bumper I used these fine tools :D

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Its just my HF 16 ton pipe bender, I like it though, I guess if pipes really that bad but I dont understand why it is...... 1-1/4" pipe is prolly pretty close to 1.75 tubing... and I have the die and can get pipe pretty cheap through work..... That was my thought but again if its not good I guess not, I just cant fathom spending $600 on 80 feet of tubing:eek1:
 
Pipe bends a lot easier than tubing. Not meant for structural duties.

Can it be used...sorta...
 
AJMBLAZER said:
Pipe bends a lot easier than tubing. Not meant for structural duties.

Can it be used...sorta...
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If you had lots of good triangulation a pipe cage really wouldnt hold up? I find that hard to beleive honestly but im no expert.
 
the general rule of thumb is "Pipe will save you ONCE, Tube will do it over and over again." In your case if your wanting to go fast but NOT do dumb chit to total your purty truck, pipe would be OK. But only if your junking the truck after you roll it. I'd go with the tube (even being more expensive) and do it right the first time. then IF you wreck it you can call it an offroad only toy, Put it back on its wheels, and CONTINUE TO BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF IT. with no worries:waytogo:
 
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The guys at NW4x4 in Traverse City...well, now Kaleva...built this Wagoneer years ago. That cage is all pipe. You may remember it from a feature in 4-Wheel & Off-Road several years ago along with an article about the Loonie Run east of the Soo in Canadia.

He rolled it on it's side hard ONCE. Pipe bent and crushed one of the doors. Whoopsie.
 
Just as in tube there are many different grades of Pipe.

all of which you can ignore

You want to go fast, 1.75" .120 wall tube=2.089 lbs per foot

1.5" schedule 40 pipe 2.72 lbs per foot.

When you are talking 80 feet so 167 lbs for tube, 217 lbs for pipe. I realize that may not seem like much but you have to save weight as much as possible.

Going fast every ounce counts

In addition to that I have seen pipe tear while being bent, with the proper bending equipment. If you bend the pipe with your HF bender you will end up with kinks which have to be gusseted adding more weight, in addition to compromising the overall integrity of the cage. The bends will be substantially larger in radius. Much harder to package. This usually leads to a compromised design. Unless bent with a mandrel bender. They make pipe dies for most benders but once you spend the money on it and then buy the pipe you are about the same as buying DOM.

I have seen poop pipe cages hold up very well to a roll, I have seen poorly designed DOM cages fail. I have never seen a poop pipe cage fully survive, I have seen several HREW and DOM cages hold up after a couple hard rolls.

Cages don't make you go fast, the keep you alive so you can continue to go fast.

You have seen "pot metal" right, cheap chinese tools cast with cheap steel. Think of pipe as pot metal, its metalurgy is not the same. In addtion to that tubing goes through 2 more manufacturing steps to make it tube. DOM goes through another one.

So if you start with a 1/4 piece of flat, roll it into a tube and weld it there you have pipe ( not exactly but it makes the point I am trying to get across) Run that pipe through a die to compress it a bit more so the wall is more uniform but its the same OD you are well on your way to tubing, run it through another die and you get DOM. Same amount of material that you started with but it has been compressed and refined.

That isn't even close to the actual manufacturing process but its a nutshell.

My saying is different than Ricks, I say HREW will save you once, DOM will save you many times. I don't say anything about pipe
 
blazinzuk said:
You wanna go fast, its expensive, time to give up all other vices my friend. :haha::haha:

You know only have one vice your truck :waytogo:
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Funny thing is its about the only thing I spend money on haha.
(And no I wont leave my lady for this.... LOL)
 
Please no pipe cage. You won't want people to laugh at your truck, and you will want it as safe as possible. Pipe is for plumbers.

Your truck in a small way is an investment. Although you will never get your full $$ out of it, you don't want to devalue your rig by having a pipe cage. Sorry man, just wanted to share my thoughts.

IMO, you will want 6-8 points tied to frame with .120. 1 3/4, and all other guessets and x tubing could be 1 3/4 or 1 1/2 .090
 
63chevyll said:
Please no pipe cage. You won't want people to laugh at your truck, and you will want it as safe as possible. Pipe is for plumbers.

Your truck in a small way is an investment. Although you will never get your full $$ out of it, you don't want to devalue your rig by having a pipe cage. Sorry man, just wanted to share my thoughts.

IMO, you will want 6-8 points tied to frame with .120. 1 3/4, and all other guessets and x tubing could be 1 3/4 or 1 1/2 .090
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Well I work for a plumber... thus the idea of the pipe, but I didnt understand why It shouldnt be done. I now know. Thanks guys:thumb:
 
Trust me, sitting here thinking Bout it don't mean squat. But when your going 90 through a turn foot pegged to the wood and the truck gets squirely, your heart stops for a second and you Damn near sh1t your pants you will want all the protection around you........that's when planning this the right way matters.
 
Good call, you guys do realize I wouldnt go wickedly fast untill i was completely confident in it... Which wont be for a long long time..... im not gonna get links and coils and then say ok lets go!! :doah:
 
blazinzuk said:
My saying is different than Ricks, I say HREW will save you once, DOM will save you many times. I don't say anything about pipe
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I was meaning the HREW:doah: Same thing as pipe in my book.
 
dude save your cash and do it right the first time. You will thank yourself later.
 
Well brian an casey, it is here :D. What happened was I had the tank but Lake welding wouldnt fill it cuz it wasnt theres, but my dads got the hook up through work so he took it in and got it all certified :D. Got gloves, tips, 11 lbs of .035 wire, sweet welding plyers, an autoshade, and this BA KISS blanket!!!! And my mom got me this sweet little drill press so I snagged it and got a nice pic.


And my dad got us a new MOM!!!:thumb::thumb:

EVerything I couldve wanted an more:D

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eclipse85k10 said:
Nice christmas score!
I got a welding helmet for christmas too!

btw congrats to your dad
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Oh man you dont even know how stoked I am to do some welding lol, i cant wait for xmas dinner to be done then im off to my buddies (where my welder is cuz thats where I work on everything) with all my new gear. SO STOKED!!!:D
 
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