beags86
Eastbound and Down
I have been there and gotten burned, just trying to save you from the same
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Deuling's 1985 K5. "Restart thread on post #8415"
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There needs to be a point though... I understand it can create a tear point. But its also going to add some more strength before it does indeed tear. These ones are not welded in, so i can easily cut the tacks and move them up.
I see so many people build half the cage I have and never get any flack for it. Thats why I try and argue it.
is adding the middle gusset stronger than no gusset, absolutely..
at some point, could it's impaling attitude override that and cause ejected flaming religious women?possible, quite possible...
I would actually prefer tube gussets.. but I get it.. what you did was already nicely done.. finishing touch, definitely adds some strength..... different process... BANG dimple.... cool...
carry on....
beags86
Eastbound and Down
I hear you, I certainly am not trying to give you flack. I just want to see you use your potential. I can't comment on other builds as I haven't been around here as a regular for very long. Certainly your design will serve you well and if it suits you it really doesn't matter what we think. I am looking forward to seeing this thing done.
Yes it can be weaker that is
Just like Brandon said it will slice the tube.
Gussets that introduce stress concentrations can definitely be weaker than having no gussets. Will you ever notice? Prolly not. This cage is lots better than the no-cage setup you ran last year, and it is prolly overkill for what you're doing in the dunes. But creating a shear point is never a good thing, and dismissing the concerns so quickly seems rash. (perhaps even childish?
)You have repeatedly presented your truck projects as a way to show off your design and fab skills. You've done some really neat stuff. But there have been at least a couple times when you got really defensive to input about your design decisions. If you are going to post stuff up here and brag about your skills, you shouldn't be surprised when folks give you input. So far, I think it's all been constructive input. But you have come across as being hard-headed, dismissing input from other truck guys who really do like what you're doing. I like what you've done, but saying your design is great because it's better than having no cage sounds an awful lot like you're rationalizing a design you know isn't best. And that is no way to build a side business. You don't have to do that very many times to scare off potential customers.
Dammit, I just want to go to the dunes. Ok ill move gussets out 
Dammit, I just want to go to the dunes. Ok ill move gussets out
You don't HAVE to finish up the cage before you start hitting the dunes...
You don't HAVE to finish up the cage before you start hitting the dunes...
Yes I do. Or ill just put it off till its too late and I bend my frame.
If you guys don't remember. My entire thought process on building a cage at all is so I don't bend the frame. Safety is cool, but its an after thought. IMO a well built cage to reinforce the frame, will make it 100% more safe as well.
You get **** because you have the skills to make it... me on the other hand... well, if it's not going to kill me right away I'm doing pretty good. :P
We're all here to support each other, and elevate each other's builds through constructive input. I'm glad to see you're gonna move those gussets, you got some really good advice from someone that has BTDT to the nth degree. Taking that advice makes you look smarter and more mature BTW...
Dammit, I just want to go to the dunes. Ok ill move gussets out
And that my friends is why we tack weld and ONLY finish weld when all is set in stone.
they will look cooler out anyway
Adam these guys are right. It's taken me a long time to "listen" and still at times I don't, but dammit if these old timers know a thing or two. I've found that it's easier to listen to all these suggestions and then find out for yourself by researching and learning the what why and how instead of blindly welding stuff on for the heck of it. I'll use that rear shackle as an example. Cmon we all know that was a late night deal. You just wanted it done.. But if you want and continue to treat your project as such a showcase don't take shortcuts, it's a waste. Your truck really is a great example of what you can do with proper tools some ingenuity and skinny jeans. So when you just want to get it "done" stop, take a minute to process what needs to happen and don't overwork the problem. Keep it simple. Sometimes the path that's easy isn't the safest. And on a personal note, you might consider taking the safety of yourself and passengers more seriously. It is disconcerting that you brush off things like having dead nodes in your cage or stress risers because of improper gusset placement.
I wouldnt lecture you on all this if I thought you were a douche, you seem like a nice dude, you do great work, your threads are very entertaining and you work hard. Take what you will from this but it really is meant to help and not insult you, I apologize if it comes off as such.
I wouldnt lecture you on all this if I thought you were a douche, you seem like a nice dude, you do great work, your threads are very entertaining and you work hard. Take what you will from this but it really is meant to help and not insult you, I apologize if it comes off as such.
For those that haven't met Adam, he is a great kid, (dare I say young man now)..
He is ambitious, lively, happy, and always willing to help, hell he'll even sweep your driveway for ya!....that said; Adam there is a lot to learn...I think most guys go through it on a first time build, don't take it too personal, there is a lot of help here.
I wouldn't have even undertaken what I did without knowing all the help was available because I had never been down many of these roads before.
Something else to think about is liability. If your going to start doing this type of work for "customers" you better have a proven engineered and executed product so your not liable for personal injury.
He is ambitious, lively, happy, and always willing to help, hell he'll even sweep your driveway for ya!....that said; Adam there is a lot to learn...I think most guys go through it on a first time build, don't take it too personal, there is a lot of help here.
I wouldn't have even undertaken what I did without knowing all the help was available because I had never been down many of these roads before.
Something else to think about is liability. If your going to start doing this type of work for "customers" you better have a proven engineered and executed product so your not liable for personal injury.
I'm glad to see you thinking about it, I wouldn't have said anything about it if I didn't feel it was important.
Keep in mind I'm the guy that thinks that a correctly built and installed cage in a full body vehicle can be made from 1.5" tubing provided the main cab structure is being kept 100% in tact. If you have to use that cage the vehicle is trashed. So I get your point about if the gusset slicing into the tube happens the vehicle is done.
I honestly think that those gussets are doing more harm than good where they are, that's why I said something.
It's out there, do as you like, it's your vehicle and I understand and have gone against my brother and fathers advice before myself. I don't think someone is going to die because their not 100% correct but I can guarantee you that if you roll and stress the cage enough you will see the tubes dented and or sliced in those areas.
Just to give you an idea of how fast weird crap happens.
A few years back my brother and dad were in Johnson Valley shock tuning in the race car, they had been making runs down a rough wash section and working with the tuner. The return run was a twisty "road" that ended in a 180 turn to enter back into the wash. They had been experiencing some weird hops and steering things that they were trying to figure out, in the entrance of that 180 turn at about 50 mph the front pinion bearing seized and sent the car tumbling and cartwheeling, something like 4-5 times with full rotations in the air. Witnesses claim they didn't think my brother and dad would walk away from it, they did. In fact their was very little damage to the car and they ran to town, fixed the bearing, and went back out for more tuning.
Put things together right because you never ever know when your going to need to use them.
Keep in mind I'm the guy that thinks that a correctly built and installed cage in a full body vehicle can be made from 1.5" tubing provided the main cab structure is being kept 100% in tact. If you have to use that cage the vehicle is trashed. So I get your point about if the gusset slicing into the tube happens the vehicle is done.
I honestly think that those gussets are doing more harm than good where they are, that's why I said something.
It's out there, do as you like, it's your vehicle and I understand and have gone against my brother and fathers advice before myself. I don't think someone is going to die because their not 100% correct but I can guarantee you that if you roll and stress the cage enough you will see the tubes dented and or sliced in those areas.
Just to give you an idea of how fast weird crap happens.
A few years back my brother and dad were in Johnson Valley shock tuning in the race car, they had been making runs down a rough wash section and working with the tuner. The return run was a twisty "road" that ended in a 180 turn to enter back into the wash. They had been experiencing some weird hops and steering things that they were trying to figure out, in the entrance of that 180 turn at about 50 mph the front pinion bearing seized and sent the car tumbling and cartwheeling, something like 4-5 times with full rotations in the air. Witnesses claim they didn't think my brother and dad would walk away from it, they did. In fact their was very little damage to the car and they ran to town, fixed the bearing, and went back out for more tuning.
Put things together right because you never ever know when your going to need to use them.
Go crash a dirt bike you'll find out exactly how hard 10-20-30-49-50 mph is..
at 60mph water feels like concrete, dirt and sand is even less forgiving.
adam, don't be afraid to take the advice of the guys on here.
I know sometimes it sucks when you have something in set in your head just to have someone come in and tell you it is wrong..
to be fair, I didn't know that about not centering the gusset, so I am glad I read this as I learned something new on that one. at least you posted up for thoughts before you had them all burned in.
adam, don't be afraid to take the advice of the guys on here.
I know sometimes it sucks when you have something in set in your head just to have someone come in and tell you it is wrong..
to be fair, I didn't know that about not centering the gusset, so I am glad I read this as I learned something new on that one. at least you posted up for thoughts before you had them all burned in.
