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Deuling's 1985 K5. "Restart thread on post #8415"

So most important make sure #1 is on the compression stroke before tearing heads apart. Noted.

I dont think ill do a cam at this point.

That's a good learning experience, but not necessary, because you don't need to know the compression stroke until you set the rockers or put the dizzy back in, and at that point you will have rotated the engine over anyway. Plus, since you have it apart it's easy to see exactly where the rockers and cam lobes are, so you can watch when you are on the compression stroke. Just relearn your 4-stroke cycle and you will know when its on the compression stroke. Intake-compression-power-exhaust. So after the intake closes and the piston is coming back up, that is your compression stroke. However, you do not need to have it on the compression stroke to measure TDC. TDC is exactly the same spot whether it's after the compression stroke or the exhaust stroke. Just use the piston stop and you are good.

About the cam, what is your cam now? Different heads without a different cam is like choking the new heads.

Tha finger on the plug hole trick is a great way to find the compression stroke if you have to put the dizzy in and don't know what stroke is the compression stroke. Because if you put the dizzy in on the power stroke your timing will be 360 degrees off(or 180 dizzy degrees) But if you are simply replacing a dizzy its easier to mark the rotor when you take it out.

Ok $15 isnt that bad. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CIQ9TQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



What is the best method/writeup for doing all the assembly? As far as torque amounts, sequences, and how to do all the rockers etc.

Clean everything real well. Gasket surfaces should be spotless. Also, check the block deck for flatness with a straight edge and feeler gauges, I wouldn't reassemble if its over about .002 gap anywhere.

If you do the cam you will need to pull the balancer and oil pan, and timing cover. Plus I would degree the cam, but not necessary.

Anyway, assuming shortblock is complete, and everything is clean and inspected...

Bolt on the heads and torque them. Torque them in 3 stages, starting from the middle of the head and working out in a circular pattern.

Add pushrods and rockers (just loose)

Now rotate the engine over until after the #1 intake valve closes and the engine is at TDC on the timing mark. This is the compression stroke, both valves should be closed on #1 or you are not at the right spot.

Then feel the pushrods (spin them or move them up and down to feel it)and tighten the rocker nut until there is zero clearance, then tighten another quarter turn. Do that for the intake and exhaust valve rockers.

Then rotate the crank over 90 degrees (clockwise from front of engine, or tightening the balancer bolt, just guess a quarter turn, close enough), then adjust the #8 rockers the same way, quarter turn past 0 clearance. Then turn the crank 90 degrees again, and adjust #4 rockers. Continue to do this and adjust the rockers in firing order, 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. You can double check you are back at TDC when you turn it 4 times, and are checking #6, it should be on TDC again or your quarter turn guesses were a little off, but its likely not a problem, just recorrect and continue the other half. It makes no mess and the rockers are good before you start the engine.

Once that is done, put the valve covers and intake on, etc.


Yah I ordered it, should be here thursday.

Yes I too like to keep it simple.

Now when you say turn it one way and then the other way to get the 2 marks..... You arer just bringing it up from one direction to get first mark, and then going past that and bringing it back up while spinning it the other way to get the 2nd mark?

Precisely, you are basically marking the same point on both sides of TDC, and exactly in the middle of there is your exact true TDC.

Ordered Fel Pro Performance head gaskets, intake gaskets, and a new set of AC delco plugs. Id rather not use a sealant as id like to have some confidence in playing with it.

Hoping to just find a bad head gasket when I tear into it this weekend.


Quesiton, why do I need fancy tools to mark TDC. Cant I just move the crank back and forth and find where the piston is at its highest, with say a pair of calipers???

Thats not accurate enough, if you watch teh piston at TDC you will notice dwells there for several degrees before going back down, and you want to know TDC within less than 1 degree.

Yes, some people use dial indicators to find TDC. However, they still don't do it at TDC, they mark the piston .100 down the hole or something and then do the same on the other side and still use the middle of the marks.

However, its much simpler(and more accurate) to use the piston stop method because it gives you a positive stop that will not change, so you don't have to worry about being off .002", or that the piston may have rocked in the bore, etc. It will stop at the exact same location.
 
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I think you will find engines fascinating, I do. When you see what is spinning inside there, and think about how fast the piston is moving, and how fast the valves are opening and closing, its pretty amazing. At 6000 rpm the valves are opening and closing 50 times per second! And each piston is cycling 100 times per second! And the spark is happening 50 times per second, per cylinder. Thats 400 controlled explosions per second, and if the ignition timing was off even a few degrees you would lose power. Talk about amazing.
 
That cam is pretty mild with a slow ramp profile and low lift, but unless you are changing valve springs, etc you can't go too high on the lift anyway.

If resuing the heads, make sure you check the heads for flatness too with a straight edge and feeler gauges.
 
Just the one I think. I ordered 2 though.


Yah they are fascinating Heath. I just don't want to work on them, unless I was building one from scratch. Then maybe I'd enjoy it.
 
I think you will find engines fascinating, I do. When you see what is spinning inside there, and think about how fast the piston is moving, and how fast the valves are opening and closing, its pretty amazing. At 6000 rpm the valves are opening and closing 50 times per second! And each piston is cycling 100 times per second! And the spark is happening 50 times per second, per cylinder. Thats 400 controlled explosions per second, and if the ignition timing was off even a few degrees you would lose power. Talk about amazing.

I have thought about this stuff often over the years. It is fascinating stuff. How a mass like a piston can accelerate, slow down, stop, reverse direction and repeat 100 TIMES A SECOND is mind blowing. I guess it all comes down to tight tolerances to keep things from flying all over the engine compartment.
 
Make sure you also look for cracks between the steam port holes in that thin section, 400 heads are known to crack there.

I love upgrading things and making them better. But I hate fixing stuff that's just broke. So use it as an excuse to upgrade, and you'll be glad it happened.
 
So whats the best way to clean the head and block surfaces? Fine grit scotchbrite followed by a good air nozzle blowing out of everything?




Got my gaskets in the mail today..
 
I used to use these 3M Roloc discs when I did head jobs working at a dealership.

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