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I'm pretty sure your data is useless for this conversation. Good for you for having useless data! Many of us wish we did.
We've talked about this a lot here lately when contemplating what shocks to offer and there just aren't that many guys running long enough and hard enough to justify more than a single 2.5" smoothie and probably not even that much shock for most. I think the 7100 is a great stopping point for most guys. Reasonable heat capacity for a trail vehicle, excellent construction and user rebuildable/revalvable and all for somewhere around $200/ea. From there the next step up is a King 2.5 at about $370/ea.
I like the conversation here since it gives us some good insight into what guys are looking for in a suspension when they're wanting more than off the shelf performance. I guess we should be careful with that term, we have 4 link/coilover performance that's technically "off the shelf" now.
That was harsh. My point was, I am way over kill for anything I could use my truck for. Guess I should have elaborated more. But you will read in my earlier post that I said he should probably call you. Because you guys have this figured out, for as far as one can go without going to links. Or with links for that matter.
Don't think he meant to be offensive. Its useless because no one else has such data for comparison. Definitely good data for you to log on your own, for your own comparisons though!
And anybody running at speeds for any length of time, should be watching that also. For crawling, no big deal. But shock fade at 50 mph could couse a big problem.
A couple of TT teams I worked with ran temp strips on all of the shocks and reservoirs during testing. So they could just jump out and see what was going on, or pull in the pits for a stop & go to check them.
A couple of TT teams I worked with ran temp strips on all of the shocks and reservoirs during testing. So they could just jump out and see what was going on, or pull in the pits for a stop & go to check them.
Yeah my point was that when we need info on a coilover with a bypass shock next to it we'll talk to Wade. Till then we'll talk about a single 2" shock per wheel.
I can't talk too much trash, we're some of those guys with a coilover and a big bypass next to it on the race car. And now that I think about it, our stable is pretty well populated with trucks on good shocks. I'm kind of a ride quality nerd.
Same situation with terrain, we have to be careful how much we talk about rough terrain when I know that half the country can't find 50 miles of contiguous dirt road much less rough dirt road. Guys living in the southwest with a lot of dirt and a chance of running on roads that have been raced have different needs than the rest of the country. Even at that, I'd have to say that unless you're actually racing or pre-running, a single 2.5 smooth body shock will do what you need to do even on long rough runs. This last baja trip had us doing a lot of old CODE course (relatively rough) at one point and the 2.5's took it just fine at "touring" or "recreational" speeds.
I can't talk too much trash, we're some of those guys with a coilover and a big bypass next to it on the race car. And now that I think about it, our stable is pretty well populated with trucks on good shocks. I'm kind of a ride quality nerd.Same situation with terrain, we have to be careful how much we talk about rough terrain when I know that half the country can't find 50 miles of contiguous dirt road much less rough dirt road. Guys living in the southwest with a lot of dirt and a chance of running on roads that have been raced have different needs than the rest of the country. Even at that, I'd have to say that unless you're actually racing or pre-running, a single 2.5 smooth body shock will do what you need to do even on long rough runs. This last baja trip had us doing a lot of old CODE course (relatively rough) at one point and the 2.5's took it just fine at "touring" or "recreational" speeds.
My truck has 6" superlift springs front and rear, rides kinda hard till truck has some weight in the bed. The shocks that came with the springs made it ride stupid rough, I put bilstein 5100 shocks on it. They made a noticeable difference in the ride. It's still rough but its not as harsh as it was before. So I can say with confidence that good shocks are worth the money you'' spend on them.
I'm planning on changing to different springs one day but I'm having engine issues, again
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I'm planning on changing to different springs one day but I'm having engine issues, again
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Wade I know my brother and he wasn't and isn't meaning to be harsh, it's just coming off that way in enginerd speak. I do think your shock temp info is relevent, maybe just not in the way you were thinking. Until you run hard, tune and beat on a set of shocks you don't know what hot is. I know I was like that, I remember one time I touched a slightly warm shock on the buggy and thought that I had just run them into the ground, now I warn pit crew guys not to touch the shocks when working on the car cause they will get burned.
180 is kind of hot, not terrible though. I know that the fast classes at San Felipe get the shocks so hot the stickers burn off of them. 400+ degrees.
Bottom line is that springs hold a vehicle up, shocks control the movement of the springs, stiffer springs need stiffer valving to control them (on average).
You can make a caddy ride like a dump-truck with shocks alone, however you can't make a dump-truck ride like a caddy with shocks alone.
180 is kind of hot, not terrible though. I know that the fast classes at San Felipe get the shocks so hot the stickers burn off of them. 400+ degrees.
Bottom line is that springs hold a vehicle up, shocks control the movement of the springs, stiffer springs need stiffer valving to control them (on average).
You can make a caddy ride like a dump-truck with shocks alone, however you can't make a dump-truck ride like a caddy with shocks alone.
Guess I should have put a 
behind the harsh comment. It was a jab at how it came off.
I've put 5150's and 7100's with air bumps on a couple of trucks for guys. Then they complain after and hour of rough roads because the ride gets "bouncy". Their word. This is after I told them they would be good for short runs, but will get hot. So for the OP, it's just a heads up to not waist his money if he plans on long runs. Save for a while. Run a 2.5 smooth body remote reservoir with a heat sink.
I know three guys saving for good shocks and air bumps. When I get back to Colorado next summer, I might be busy.
behind the harsh comment. It was a jab at how it came off. I've put 5150's and 7100's with air bumps on a couple of trucks for guys. Then they complain after and hour of rough roads because the ride gets "bouncy". Their word. This is after I told them they would be good for short runs, but will get hot. So for the OP, it's just a heads up to not waist his money if he plans on long runs. Save for a while. Run a 2.5 smooth body remote reservoir with a heat sink.
I know three guys saving for good shocks and air bumps. When I get back to Colorado next summer, I might be busy.
Guess I should have put a
I've put 5150's and 7100's with air bumps on a couple of trucks for guys. Then they complain after and hour of rough roads because the ride gets "bouncy". Their word. This is after I told them they would be good for short runs, but will get hot. So for the OP, it's just a heads up to not waist his money if he plans on long runs. Save for a while. Run a 2.5 smooth body remote reservoir with a heat sink.
I know three guys saving for good shocks and air bumps. When I get back to Colorado next summer, I might be busy.
I know that the fade is heat but I also wonder if it's not in the valving not being set up for the temp that the shocks will be running at. For the 5150 series that's not adjustable by the end user.
For the 7100 if you can change the valving why not try changing that and see what happens.
We did revalve the 7100's many times. I know he kept messing with it also. Nefer could get the fade to go away. Made take longer to get there. But never completely went away. I have not talked to him in a long time. He was going to try to get heat sinks for them. Never heard what happened. So maybe that fixed it enough.
46 mm = 1.81 inches. I had to look it up, because remembered it was less than 2". But my memory sucks for details like that anymore.
I assumed they were a larger dia. body than that. Kind of makes since that they would fade on a heavier vehicle over longer runs. That shows you that some people need a larger shock, I would have to think that a 2.5" smooth body would be the end game for any full size leaf spring vehicle that isn't running in class three. OR desiring to go fast for a while over pretty rough terrain.
Also I would bet that the average guy that wheels in Moab in his blazer would never heat up a 7100 series. Shorter runs, breaks, time spent on obstacles etc. would all allow the shocks to cool down.
Also I would bet that the average guy that wheels in Moab in his blazer would never heat up a 7100 series. Shorter runs, breaks, time spent on obstacles etc. would all allow the shocks to cool down.
Thoroughly agree with that statement. One would be hard pressed to abuse the 7100's in Moab. Lucerne would be a different story. I have one friend logging onto race dezert every day looking for triple bypasses. Will be fun to get those installed on a leaf sprung truck. He has the air bumps sitting on a bench with deavers ready to go in.
Psst. I know someone with a set of King 16" travel triple bypasses for sale, 2.5".
Will the 7100s work good enough for the dune running i do? Lots of 20 minute bursts with half hour brakes sitting at the beach. I posted that video earlier of what the dunes look like and how my truck just rattles on all the ruts
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Dueling don't you know "The faster you go the smoother it will get
" I fear we have stolen this kids thread
. The 7100 would be an awesome upgrade for your dune driving, But any 2.0 or 2.5 bodied shock with an external resi would be great for your style of duneing. I love my shocks
probably one of the best features on my ride.
" I fear we have stolen this kids thread. The 7100 would be an awesome upgrade for your dune driving, But any 2.0 or 2.5 bodied shock with an external resi would be great for your style of duneing. I love my shocks probably one of the best features on my ride.
I fear we have stolen this kids thread
Yah its gotten quite side tracked, but..... Theres alot of good info lol. So while we are here... Do you think ill be happy with the 7100s or fox 2.0s? Or would it really be worth it to save up for some much better ones? Like I said, we do short 20 min or so runs with half hour down time to go ride bikes/quads etc.
I sent a pm to Stephen with a few questions but haven't heard back. I may call them on Tuesday. Does any one have his ORD email address?
Is there a difference in how far back the ord shackle flip has the rear shackle located vs the diy4x?
Is there a difference in how far back the ord shackle flip has the rear shackle located vs the diy4x?
