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Good bye 700r4/clocked flat/sye241

You know you would not need to do front digs if you put the full hydro steering on it.

Yes that is a plug for my ram that is for sale.
 
Small, light, lower gearing and not really a big price difference between it and a doubler.

The Black box is more than twice what a doubler costs, depends on which cases you can come up with but you really want the 32 spline 205 regardless of if you go with black box or doubler.

Why not do the 241 doubler, same thing as the Black Box but a whole lot less price wise.

Simply, there isn't a 241 doubler kit. D&D used to make one but AFAIK at this point you'd have to make your own from scratch like I did and to be honest I'm not sure I'd want to do that again. It seems like it's not that much work but I did so much fabrication, figuring out how to do stuff etc. that it wouldn't surprise me if I had 50 or more hours into my doubler (things like research, getting the case to someone that can weld it, paying to get it welded, figuring out custom shifters, making the adapter plate takes a lot of time, making a support for the shift fork rod, clocking rings, etc). Add in the cost of the shaft, the 241 case, shifters etc and it's not so economical.
 
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The Black box is more than twice what a doubler costs, depends on which cases you can come up with but you really want the 32 spline 205 regardless of if you go with black box or doubler.

I don't think so. Heck the ORD kit is about $800 by itself and the BB is about $1500 so right off the bat the doubler is already a little over half the cost of a BB.
That being said we all know you can build a 203/205 for less than a BB but the lower gearing and compact all in one package of the BB is appealing to some guys. Plus if we all ran the same junk it'd be pretty boring, some guys are willing to pay a little more to be different. :)
 
I don't think so. Heck the ORD kit is about $800 by itself and the BB is about $1500 so right off the bat the doubler is already a little over half the cost of a BB.
That being said we all know you can build a 203/205 for less than a BB but the lower gearing and compact all in one package of the BB is appealing to some guys. Plus if we all ran the same junk it'd be pretty boring, some guys are willing to pay a little more to be different. :)

Avery, you and 38377k5 have both said the same thing but differently. The BB is double the cost of a doubler or the doubler is half the cost of a BB. :D
 
Avery, you and 38377k5 have both said the same thing but differently. The BB is double the cost of a doubler or the doubler is half the cost of a BB. :D

Right but this is all "about" pricing since cases and rebuild costs are different from guy to guy. The point I was making is the 205's are a wash (unless you stick your BB behind something you already have) but you have to get a 203 for the ORD setup where as you don't on the BB setup (obviously :rolleyes:) PLUS you have to get shifters for the ORD setup which are $200... so a doubler will run ya' in the $1200 range where as a BB is about $1500 including the cable shifter.

I'm going to bed, I'll probably read all this tomorrow and confuse even myself. :doah:
 
I don't think so. Heck the ORD kit is about $800 by itself and the BB is about $1500 so right off the bat the doubler is already a little over half the cost of a BB.
That being said we all know you can build a 203/205 for less than a BB but the lower gearing and compact all in one package of the BB is appealing to some guys. Plus if we all ran the same junk it'd be pretty boring, some guys are willing to pay a little more to be different. :)

Our typical doubler kit is $770, the Black box is ~$1600.

The 205 portion will be the same for either setup.

The BB and 203 range box are pretty close dimension wise.


That's pretty much the run-down between the two.
 
Right but this is all "about" pricing since cases and rebuild costs are different from guy to guy. The point I was making is the 205's are a wash (unless you stick your BB behind something you already have) but you have to get a 203 for the ORD setup where as you don't on the BB setup (obviously :rolleyes:) PLUS you have to get shifters for the ORD setup which are $200... so a doubler will run ya' in the $1200 range where as a BB is about $1500 including the cable shifter.

I'm going to bed, I'll probably read all this tomorrow and confuse even myself. :doah:

Yep, still need a shifter setup for the doubler but you would need one with the Black box too. The BB has a shifter setup for itself but needs another for the 205.

203's are generally easy to come by, and either common input gear (27, 32) is fairly easy to come by.

Make sure you are comparing apples to apples, compare our doubler kit with shifters to a Black box with shifters (to control both the reduction box and the 205).
 
The Black box is more than twice what a doubler costs, depends on which cases you can come up with but you really want the 32 spline 205 regardless of if you go with black box or doubler.



Simply, there isn't a 241 doubler kit. D&D used to make one but AFAIK at this point you'd have to make your own from scratch like I did and to be honest I'm not sure I'd want to do that again. It seems like it's not that much work but I did so much fabrication, figuring out how to do stuff etc. that it wouldn't surprise me if I had 50 or more hours into my doubler (things like research, getting the case to someone that can weld it, paying to get it welded, figuring out custom shifters, making the adapter plate takes a lot of time, making a support for the shift fork rod, clocking rings, etc). Add in the cost of the shaft, the 241 case, shifters etc and it's not so economical.

Hey is making the 241 again..

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=696803&page=7

I have all the 231, 241 and ford 1350/54 kits in stock.
Thanks
Duffy
 
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