Isn’t this for your towing business tow rig? Why the hell are you contemplating taking out the standard towing engine in favor of the factory economy engine? Being different is not good business strategy.
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Ha Anyone Had A 292 Inline 6 In Full Ton Dually Pickup? Or Had A 292 In General
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beags86
Eastbound and Down
At this point I'm not sure if your for real or just trolling us.
You state as powerful or more powerful then a big block....
You realize the normal new power lever for any built big block is 600-700 hp?
450-500 for a basic build.
How much money do you have to make a worthless 292 make that power?
So I suggest this, you pull that fat block out. Crate that bitch up and send it north to my house.
Once I get it we will both spend 3,000 bucks on our engines. You with the 292 and me with your old 454. We dyno them for power and the loser pays the other for the 3,000 they just spent.
Deal?
Then you state with the right exhaust it will sound close to a V8.... Well why would you want that? Thought you wanted different?
blackandgold51
1/2 ton status
Lol, I'm not going to blow it up , if I ever do a swap I'll just keep the 454 just in case if something happens.
blackandgold51
1/2 ton status
No troll here just a thought. Besides that , why did the production of the 292 stop ? Speaking if straight 6sAt this point I'm not sure if your for real or just trolling us.
You state as powerful or more powerful then a big block....
You realize the normal new power lever for any built big block is 600-700 hp?
450-500 for a basic build.
How much money do you have to make a worthless 292 make that power?
So I suggest this, you pull that fat block out. Crate that bitch up and send it north to my house.
Once I get it we will both spend 3,000 bucks on our engines. You with the 292 and me with your old 454. We dyno them for power and the loser pays the other for the 3,000 they just spent.
Deal?
Then you state with the right exhaust it will sound close to a V8.... Well why would you want that? Thought you wanted different?
If production kept going we would've had a straight 6 350 cubic inch if not in big block form
Straight 6’s stopped with the introduction of the 4.3 V6. My guess as to why would be smoother running, fuel economy and overall interchangeability with V8’s.
beags86
Eastbound and Down
Idk. Probably because they brought out the 4.3 v6?
I imagine part of is V engines are easier to package with crumple zones than a long straight 6
If it's for a towing business nah man. If it's to do burnouts on top of your dollar bills just for smoke then yeah all day.
That's a terrible ideal to mod a motor and expect reliability.
Stock for stock they both work well. Mod for mod they both accept it well. dollar for dollar lol they both suck to buy parts for.
A hot 292 is for a play truck.
That's a terrible ideal to mod a motor and expect reliability.
Stock for stock they both work well. Mod for mod they both accept it well. dollar for dollar lol they both suck to buy parts for.
A hot 292 is for a play truck.
beags86
Eastbound and Down
I've got a Buick 430 big block for sale if you want different
blackandgold51
1/2 ton status
I'll take it
blackandgold51
1/2 ton status
In that case, I'll get another truck and put that 292 in it. That will be my play truck. While the 454 in the suburban gets so mild modifications t make it better.
1984 was the last year GM put the 292 in trucks...they were the only straight six to not get the crappy integral head and stayed with a one barrel monojet carb the entire time they were produced..--the 250's started getting the integral head in '75 and still had a 1 barrel carb,in 1979 they changed to the E2SE Rochester 2 barrel carb,which was basically a Q-jet sawed in half,it was a poor carb IMO..
Not apples to apples here but I had a '77 K20 with 292, 4:56 gears, 4" lift with 33" tires and it was the best truck I ever owned. It was VERY slow taking off but in the bottom rpm range it had almost as much torque as my 454. Just don't think you'll be able to jump out into traffic on the highway. I got incredibly good gas mileage when I took it easy with the hubs unlocked.
IMO, there isn't a better engine made. Of course mine was mated to a SM465/NP 205. Not sure how one would do with an automatic (probably better off with the manual transmission). I've always regretted selling that truck. I built a 454 in the '67 K30 I gave to my son and wish I'd kept the 292 it originally had. He likes the 454 better for the acceleration.
IMO, there isn't a better engine made. Of course mine was mated to a SM465/NP 205. Not sure how one would do with an automatic (probably better off with the manual transmission). I've always regretted selling that truck. I built a 454 in the '67 K30 I gave to my son and wish I'd kept the 292 it originally had. He likes the 454 better for the acceleration.
You know..
If you remove number 1 and number 6 spark plug wire on the 454, you'll have a 340 cu inch V6.
Remove the intake rocker arms for those cylinders and they won't even draw fuel/air.
Okay.. being funny.
But i know a guy that did something like that to his Ford.
It had the 300 inline 6.
The tip of the distributor broke off and the oil pump stopped spinning while on the highway.
He drove a few miles until the knocking became unbearable, pulled into a parking lot, and called me.
He did not have a lot of money.
We pulled the oil pan and replaced the rod and main bearings one at a time.
New oil pump and distributor drive.
The truck ran but still knocked on one rod so we disconnected that spark plug wire.
Knock went away.
He drove that stupid truck like that for years.. on only Five cylinders firing!
It actually ran fairly good.
When the column shifter broke, he'd have his wife step on the brake pedal from the passenger seat while he shifted into gear using a pair of vice grips from under the truck.
It was an automatic and i always expected he'd get run over by his own truck some day.
Yes, thread derailment.
If you want that 6 banger truck as much as my old friend, you'll find a way.
Thread back on rails.
If you remove number 1 and number 6 spark plug wire on the 454, you'll have a 340 cu inch V6.
Remove the intake rocker arms for those cylinders and they won't even draw fuel/air.
Okay.. being funny.
But i know a guy that did something like that to his Ford.
It had the 300 inline 6.
The tip of the distributor broke off and the oil pump stopped spinning while on the highway.
He drove a few miles until the knocking became unbearable, pulled into a parking lot, and called me.
He did not have a lot of money.
We pulled the oil pan and replaced the rod and main bearings one at a time.
New oil pump and distributor drive.
The truck ran but still knocked on one rod so we disconnected that spark plug wire.
Knock went away.
He drove that stupid truck like that for years.. on only Five cylinders firing!
It actually ran fairly good.
When the column shifter broke, he'd have his wife step on the brake pedal from the passenger seat while he shifted into gear using a pair of vice grips from under the truck.
It was an automatic and i always expected he'd get run over by his own truck some day.
Yes, thread derailment.
If you want that 6 banger truck as much as my old friend, you'll find a way.
Thread back on rails.
beags86
Eastbound and Down
Nope to late.
Makes me think of a buddy that bought a 72 Dodge dart with slant 6. He was going to pull it for a 360.
Decided to drain the oil and see how long he could go before it blew up.
He claimed he made it 60 miles before it puked a rod.
I could never verify this, but he wasn't a slant 6 guy, he was a V8 guy like myself so there would be no reason to bullshit me.
Thread crashes in the distance. Fuel injected ford 300 during cash for clunkers. Got traded in to a dealer and I had to deliver parts there. Lines of wonderful vehicles out there one by one getting the oil drained and liquid glass put in em. The ford 300 six cylinder just kept running till they finished the line of cars. They just turned it off after a good 30 minutes. Seent it with mine own eyes.
Yeas,the older 300 Ford sixes were as tough as they came--I used to see UPS trucks here with them,get wound up to the redline in first & second gear,then they stopped to make another delivery,dayin,day out..they had a manual transmission with a granny low and every driver would just floor it until it wouldn't go any faster,then bang another gear..many lasted over 300,000 miles despite the stop & go punishment..they had good low end torque..but they were not that economical on gas...
If your looking for a nice high torque V8,it's hard to beat a Buick nailhead..the 401 and 425's I had ,I always felt had more guts than the 454's and a 400 Pontiac I had in my '69 GTO,especially off the line at the low end..
Despite the nailheads being in a 3 ton land barge,they would still roast the tires and my '66 Electra actually beat my '69 GTO once when I had a friend race me on a deserted 1/4 mile stretch at an industrial park.
I think they would have made a great towing engine,since the cars they were put in often weighed more than a 3/4 ton truck,and they moved them right along effortlessly..they were not hard to adapt to other vehicles too,they were a compact design and powerful for their size,back in the 60's they were "the" engine of choice for many hot rods,rail dragsters,and I bet more than one was put in a car hauler to bring cars to the tracks too..
My '66 Electra and Wildcat would squawk the tires going into second at 60 mph too,after doing a massive burnout..the Buicks would deliver 15 mpg on a highway trip too,they did have high gearing like 3:08's but the torque they had made up for it..
Both Buicks I had ,had the TH400 "switch pitch" torque converter,which I felt made a lot of difference compared to the "regular" TH400 I had in the GTO..
I can only imagine how the nailheads were with a Muncie 4 speed behind them..
If your looking for a nice high torque V8,it's hard to beat a Buick nailhead..the 401 and 425's I had ,I always felt had more guts than the 454's and a 400 Pontiac I had in my '69 GTO,especially off the line at the low end..
Despite the nailheads being in a 3 ton land barge,they would still roast the tires and my '66 Electra actually beat my '69 GTO once when I had a friend race me on a deserted 1/4 mile stretch at an industrial park.
I think they would have made a great towing engine,since the cars they were put in often weighed more than a 3/4 ton truck,and they moved them right along effortlessly..they were not hard to adapt to other vehicles too,they were a compact design and powerful for their size,back in the 60's they were "the" engine of choice for many hot rods,rail dragsters,and I bet more than one was put in a car hauler to bring cars to the tracks too..
My '66 Electra and Wildcat would squawk the tires going into second at 60 mph too,after doing a massive burnout..the Buicks would deliver 15 mpg on a highway trip too,they did have high gearing like 3:08's but the torque they had made up for it..
Both Buicks I had ,had the TH400 "switch pitch" torque converter,which I felt made a lot of difference compared to the "regular" TH400 I had in the GTO..
I can only imagine how the nailheads were with a Muncie 4 speed behind them..
urbex
1/2 ton status
Not at all true on the turbos, and as an International was mentioned...I have a Black Diamond 264ci inline 6 in a 1959 IHC B-162 2.5 ton flatbed sitting outside now. Many of the engines that ended up in IHC trucks back in those days started out as farm tractor motors. There's a company called Keystone Turbos that makes turbos for those gas powered tractors, and one day someone got the bright idea to slap one on a motor in his IHC pickup. Turned out to work exceptionally well, especially considering factory compression on these motors were around 7.5:1. It's all about proper turbo sizing for the motor and application. The turbo I was running on my Volvo 2.3L was capable of producing 15+ pounds of boost right off idle....and that's why that motor blew one day when the boost controller took a vacation, lol.
On these IHC motors, they're typically governed to somewhere around 3500rpm, The bigger 450, 501, etc motors were governed at less than 3K RPMs. Head flow was always an issue with the old motors, not unlike modern day peanut port 454 heads. Great low RPM torque heads, lousy high RPM heads. Though the mindset was much different back then too - no one was expecting to use these motors to haul their 10K pound 40 foot 5th wheel camper down the interstate at 80mph. That said, mine does have the gearing to run 70mph down the freeway, empty. Loaded down with 15K on the bed, not so much, lol. Same set up on a truck with the 501 would have been limited to around 55mph based on the governor.
As mentioned, even my engine will lug and smoothly run at 500rpm under load. It's really a lot like driving a modern day diesel, just without the power, lol. A larger V8 motor was offered with higher HP/torque, but most buyers opted for the smaller inline motors for that down low power as the V8s needed to be spun up faster. But then, given that 55mph was hauling butt back then.....
So let me get this straight. You want to get rid of your perfectly good V8 for a 6 cylinder and possibly turbo charger it to make up the difference?
I believe FORD did that a few years ago, they call it the Ecoboost...
I believe FORD did that a few years ago, they call it the Ecoboost...
blackandgold51
1/2 ton status
I don't get it, about the Chevy 454 and Buick 401s Oldsmobile 455s are they that different? Did the manufactures built there own engines? Especially since they say to me Chevy 454s are not good out of the rest of the other engines from different manufactures.
I hear crazy stuff about Cadillac 500s and 472s getting better fuel mileage than 454s despite larger size :\
