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Metal's LSx swap; Finally up and running!

After some stripping down and clean up.

Is the coolant cross over deal that runs through the TB for the steam line. I did some searching but it seems to be for keeping ice from forming on the TB?

I guess it just would plug into the radiator on the 2001.

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I'll reply when I get on the computer, but quickly, yes there is the maf ( which has the iat in it) that foes between the air box and throttle body. The little deal bolted on the back is a coolant bypass block off. Same thing as what's on the front under the throttle body except some didn't use the rear cross over and instead got those block offs. Yes the f body manifolds are what you need. You get replacement bolts on ebay. Broken manifold bolts like that are pretty common on these. Probably an easy out would be your best best.
 
next to last pic that's a reman motor . its got a tattle tall over heat temp tag on the freeze plug in the head.

bolt on cap is rear coolent bleader ports . some have them some just capped off like you have .

broken bolts easy . these don't like to drill easy . and have loctight on them from factory . thay need heat to pop out easy . grab a hand full of 3/8 nuts . grind the face of the broken bolt clean with die grinder . then plug weld the nut to the broken bolt. let cool 100% . next heat the head area around the broken bolt . then slow and easy turn the nut it will come out . if pops off try again it will come out.

I just did a set Monday on a 5.3 in the truck . I do them a lot on gm / fords . thay love to pop bolts. gm updated the bolts to bigger head .

you DONT need car manifolds . click my 2wd build link below to see how I got truck manifolds to fit in easy and CHEEP .:waytogo:

steam line easy mod to in h20 pump or tee in hose or add nipple to rad tank . I did drill/tap on h20 pump in my 2wd build. also good time to pop off h20 pump and install new 5 buck pair of gaskets . oem style like to pop apart and leak .

and get rid of autolight plugs . original ac delco is best these days in these tight controlled motors .

and sensor on p/s pump is for newer crap on vehicles . just ignor it .
 
I'll reply when I get on the computer, but quickly, yes there is the maf ( which has the iat in it) that foes between the air box and throttle body. The little deal bolted on the back is a coolant bypass block off. Same thing as what's on the front under the throttle body except some didn't use the rear cross over and instead got those block offs. Yes the f body manifolds are what you need. You get replacement bolts on ebay. Broken manifold bolts like that are pretty common on these. Probably an easy out would be your best best.

Awesome, so since I have the maf I dont need an additional IAT sensor or have to make a bung to house it.

Is there an o-ring or something under the rear bypass block off?
 
next to last pic that's a reman motor . its got a tattle tall over heat temp tag on the freeze plug in the head.

Well, I don't know if thats good or bad news if it's a reman.... :doah: I think the yard put them on, they offer some type of 31 day garuntee. I think its just so they can deny a warrany claim if the tag shows it was overheated.

bolt on cap is rear coolent bleader ports . some have them some just capped off like you have .

broken bolts easy . these don't like to drill easy . and have loctight on them from factory . thay need heat to pop out easy . grab a hand full of 3/8 nuts . grind the face of the broken bolt clean with die grinder . then plug weld the nut to the broken bolt. let cool 100% . next heat the head area around the broken bolt . then slow and easy turn the nut it will come out . if pops off try again it will come out.

The bolt broke off about 2 or 3 threads into the head. I don't see how i could grind it with out screwing up the head. How would I hold the nut in place while I weld it?

I just did a set Monday on a 5.3 in the truck . I do them a lot on gm / fords . thay love to pop bolts. gm updated the bolts to bigger head .

Do they use a new part number for that bolt?

you DONT need car manifolds . click my 2wd build link below to see how I got truck manifolds to fit in easy and CHEEP .:waytogo:

I saw your truck manifold mod, looks good. I am thinking of the f-body manifolds due to how cheap I can get them. I figure the time / cost of making a EGR block off + gasket + time to modify, I come out about the same buying these manifolds. Plus arent they supposed to flow a bit better?

I could probably sell my EGR / manifold setup for what these F-body manifolds are going to cost me.

steam line easy mod to in h20 pump or tee in hose or add nipple to rad tank . I did drill/tap on h20 pump in my 2wd build. also good time to pop off h20 pump and install new 5 buck pair of gaskets . oem style like to pop apart and leak .

and get rid of autolight plugs . original ac delco is best these days in these tight controlled motors .

The autolight plugs were what came in it, I switched them out for brand new NGK. I have had fantastic luck with them in every other vehicle I have owned. If I have issues I will defineately go with some AC Delco's

and sensor on p/s pump is for newer crap on vehicles . just ignor it .

Cool deal, thanks. :thumb:

Apparently, it doesnt like when I quote and dont put in a response out side of the quote.... So this is the 3+ char. needed. :haha:
 
there is a lot of threads in the head. 2-3 missing no big deal trust me .

and vise grips hold the nut and you hold it in your hand .

the update bolts is what thay sell. there 13mm head over the old 10mm head.

also get a 8x1.25 tap and clean out the holes before final install of new . that's what I do on all of them . and gm gaskets about same price as aftermarket.

I just did 12 bolts / 2 down pipe studs & nuts / 2 gaskets to head / 1 driver side down pipe gasket and it was around 90 bucks with my gm dealer selling me whole sale for my shop I work at.
 
I have been doing some planning on the wiring. I am using the guide on lt1swap.com. I still have questions on some of the connections.


The stock 87 fuel level sensor is a completely closed system going to the gauge correct?


After a tune, the engine will run fine not seeing the 5.3l stock coolant temp sensor? or do I run that sensor and add my 87 sensor to the block for my dash gauge?


Can I add the electric fan control wires for now, not actually use them by just capping them off (clutch fan for the time being)?




Blue, C1:

33- TCC brake switch - needed with 700r4? I am assuming that I can just remove it?

34- PRND P input - worth using as a park / neutral saftey switch hook up? Is that even possible with my 700r4?

71- Tow /haul button - I assume I dont need this due to having control of my trans through OD/D selection.




Red, C2:

10- engine speed tach output - I can just hook this to a Tachometer (RPM) gauge corrrect?

11, A/C high press recirc. switch - Worth keeping if using the 5.3L AC comp?

13, Cruise control engauge - Able to adapt the vacuum C.C on the 5.7 to a 5.3?

17, A/C requst signal - If keeping A/C of any kind I assume I keep this. No idea how I hook up the factory 87 A/C controls.

43, A/C clutch relay - ??

50, Vehicle speed output circuit 4k - Assume this is what the cable VSS adaptor goes to?

55, A/C low press switch - Seems like a lot of people pull this off. Why? keeps your A/C from destroying itself.

Does any of the EVAP / Purge stuff effect the fuel pump at all? Is that stuff strickly all emissions / carbon foot print related?
 
I'll answer what i can,

I have been doing some planning on the wiring. I am using the guide on lt1swap.com. I still have questions on some of the connections.


The stock 87 fuel level sensor is a completely closed system going to the gauge correct?
Yes.

After a tune, the engine will run fine not seeing the 5.3l stock coolant temp sensor? or do I run that sensor and add my 87 sensor to the block for my dash gauge?
You need to add one. A few ways of doing it. On is to get on ebay and search "ls1 temp sensor conversion" or something like that which will produce a three wire temp sensor with pig tail. That single sensor will run both the computer, and the gauge. Option two is to take your trucks stock temp sender and turn it down to the 12x1.5 thread pitch and stick it in the hole thats on the passenger head on the back. There are a couple other options, but i would say those are the best/most popular.


Can I add the electric fan control wires for now, not actually use them by just capping them off (clutch fan for the time being)?
Shouldnt be a problem. Might set a code? But i wouldn't imagine so.



Blue, C1:

33- TCC brake switch - needed with 700r4? I am assuming that I can just remove it?
I would think you would need it for torque converter unlock? I dont know.

34- PRND P input - worth using as a park / neutral saftey switch hook up? Is that even possible with my 700r4?
You send that a signal from the neutral safety switch thats mounted to your steering column by the fire wall. Most would say to do it and i would agree, although i have been running mine without and its been fine. THe main issue is that it will try to idle at the same RPM in both drive and park.

71- Tow /haul button - I assume I dont need this due to having control of my trans through OD/D selection.
Yea thats only a trans control thing. Scrap it if your running the 700.



Red, C2:

10- engine speed tach output - I can just hook this to a Tachometer (RPM) gauge corrrect?
This is anotherone where some witchcraft is involved. Sometimes hooking it right up to the tach is good, and sometimes you need to run a "filter". Either way, it only sends out a 4cyl signal. So if you have some kind of aftermarket tach, you have to switch it to 4cyl mode. On my boddies truck that we just finished, he was able to take a wire straight from this pin, to his sunpro tach on 4cyl and ot worked right off.

11, A/C high press recirc. switch - Worth keeping if using the 5.3L AC comp?
Dunno. Wouldnt think so.

13, Cruise control engauge - Able to adapt the vacuum C.C on the 5.7 to a 5.3?

Yours is drive by wire right? Then all your cruise stuff is seperate. Its all left overs from the 87 and you use nothing at all from the vortec setup. Drive by wire is different. It uses a mix of vortec stuff and existing stuff.

17, A/C requst signal - If keeping A/C of any kind I assume I keep this. No idea how I hook up the factory 87 A/C controls.

A/C is the same as cruise. Its all seperate entaties. Just like they were originally on the 87. Treat it as if these pieces of equipment never left the engine compartment and now you are just adapting them to fit on the motor. KNow what i mean?

43, A/C clutch relay - ??
Same as above. You wont be using the Computer to run the A/C. However, if i remember right, there is a signal feed of sometype that you can give the computer to let it know A/C is on and it will edge the idle up and turn on one of the fan relays, but you will have to do a little googling on that.

50, Vehicle speed output circuit 4k - Assume this is what the cable VSS adaptor goes to?
Dont quite know for sure on that one.

55, A/C low press switch - Seems like a lot of people pull this off. Why? keeps your A/C from destroying itself.

Because your truck still has its low pressure switch. You would use this if the computer was controlling the AC.

Does any of the EVAP / Purge stuff effect the fuel pump at all? Is that stuff strickly all emissions / carbon foot print related?
As long as you dont plug a vent or anything, its all good.

Hopefully none of that made me sound like an idiot.
 
I'll answer what i can,


I have been doing some planning on the wiring. I am using the guide on lt1swap.com. I still have questions on some of the connections.


The stock 87 fuel level sensor is a completely closed system going to the gauge correct?
Yes.

After a tune, the engine will run fine not seeing the 5.3l stock coolant temp sensor? or do I run that sensor and add my 87 sensor to the block for my dash gauge?
You need to add one. A few ways of doing it. On is to get on ebay and search "ls1 temp sensor conversion" or something like that which will produce a three wire temp sensor with pig tail. That single sensor will run both the computer, and the gauge. Option two is to take your trucks stock temp sender and turn it down to the 12x1.5 thread pitch and stick it in the hole thats on the passenger head on the back. There are a couple other options, but i would say those are the best/most popular.

Ok, using 2 makes much more sense.

Can I add the electric fan control wires for now, not actually use them by just capping them off (clutch fan for the time being)?
Shouldnt be a problem. Might set a code? But i wouldn't imagine so.



Blue, C1:

33- TCC brake switch - needed with 700r4? I am assuming that I can just remove it?

I would think you would need it for torque converter unlock? I dont know.

Hmmm... I was wondering what was hooked up to the factory TCC lock up switch. I guess if the computer controlled the old, it would need to control the new as well.

It was marked red (remove if not using 4l60E) on LT1Swap.com.


34- PRND P input - worth using as a park / neutral saftey switch hook up? Is that even possible with my 700r4?
You send that a signal from the neutral safety switch thats mounted to your steering column by the fire wall. Most would say to do it and i would agree, although i have been running mine without and its been fine. THe main issue is that it will try to idle at the same RPM in both drive and park.


Using the pin 34 wire would eleminate the harsh shifting into gear then, correct? I also like using an integrated P/N saftey switch from the saftey inspection stand point. Also, it would potentially make a great kill switch. If the computer was still programmed to look for it.

71- Tow /haul button - I assume I dont need this due to having control of my trans through OD/D selection.
Yea thats only a trans control thing. Scrap it if your running the 700.

Cool deal.

Red, C2:

10- engine speed tach output - I can just hook this to a Tachometer (RPM) gauge corrrect?
This is anotherone where some witchcraft is involved. Sometimes hooking it right up to the tach is good, and sometimes you need to run a "filter". Either way, it only sends out a 4cyl signal. So if you have some kind of aftermarket tach, you have to switch it to 4cyl mode. On my boddies truck that we just finished, he was able to take a wire straight from this pin, to his sunpro tach on 4cyl and ot worked right off.

I have read about a few of the tricks to use and how programmers can set it up to run diffrerent signals. I will just plan on him running a 4 cyl signal and get an approritate tach. I was just wanted to make sure that is the wire I run to the gauge.

11, A/C high press recirc. switch - Worth keeping if using the 5.3L AC comp?
Dunno. Wouldnt think so.

13, Cruise control engauge - Able to adapt the vacuum C.C on the 5.7 to a 5.3?

Yours is drive by wire right? Then all your cruise stuff is seperate. Its all left overs from the 87 and you use nothing at all from the vortec setup. Drive by wire is different. It uses a mix of vortec stuff and existing stuff.

No, Sir. All DBC setup. I figured if it worked on the DBC 350 and is vaccum modulated I dont see why I couldnt run it on the 5.3l. Shoot even on my Wife's Mazda P5 the cruise is vacuum controlled.

I guess the main hurdle is seeing if the PCM has any say in the old cruise system. If it is I dont think i will be able to adapt it. Any good resources for info like that? Or good diagrams for our old trucks? Im not having much luck finding good diagrams for our old trucks.

17, A/C requst signal - If keeping A/C of any kind I assume I keep this. No idea how I hook up the factory 87 A/C controls.

A/C is the same as cruise. Its all seperate entaties. Just like they were originally on the 87. Treat it as if these pieces of equipment never left the engine compartment and now you are just adapting them to fit on the motor. KNow what i mean?


Ok, cool. I will just follow along with LT1Swap.com and pull out any and all 5.3l A/C related wiring. I thought maybe the PCM on the 87 controlled A/C stuff and it needed to be switched over to the new PCM system. Especially using the new compressor and all that. If it isnt run by the old PCM and is just switches and power then that should make it easy I suppose.


43, A/C clutch relay - ??
Same as above. You wont be using the Computer to run the A/C. However, if i remember right, there is a signal feed of sometype that you can give the computer to let it know A/C is on and it will edge the idle up and turn on one of the fan relays, but you will have to do a little googling on that.

50, Vehicle speed output circuit 4k - Assume this is what the cable VSS adaptor goes to?
Dont quite know for sure on that one.

55, A/C low press switch - Seems like a lot of people pull this off. Why? keeps your A/C from destroying itself.

Because your truck still has its low pressure switch. You would use this if the computer was controlling the AC.

Does any of the EVAP / Purge stuff effect the fuel pump at all? Is that stuff strickly all emissions / carbon foot print related?

As long as you dont plug a vent or anything, its all good.


If talking about blocking factory 87 tank vents and stuff, I dont think it has any.

So I guess I will just pull off all that crap and plug it on the new 5.3l.



Hopefully none of that made me sound like an idiot.

Very helpful, thanks!

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Im pretty sure. Checkout ls1truck.com in their conversions section. They have alot that pertains to our trucks.
 
So just a quick sanity check. When i pull the pins from the PCM, then follow the wire that is being removed and get to the connector and obviously it is going to have more than one wire, I then go back and pull that second wire out also. Correct?

Like, the power steering pressure sensor things one wire is pulled from the PCM/BCM connector and then when I finally get that wire traced up to the connector, there is a second wire attached to the connector. Then trace that back to where ever it goes and remove that wire/pin.

Sucks that the Lt1swap pin out couldn't just say which wire to snip and then make it easier. I am trying to keep the harness in the factory lay out so things dont get mixed up. But taping, then going back and undoing it so that I can double back with the extra wire(s) sucks.

I am definitely going to have to track down one new grey PCM terminal cover. It has been pulled off once before.... violently.... I can get it back on and it will hold, I just dont know if I had to remove it again if it would come out in one piece.
 
It seems controversial to remove the wiring for the oil level sensor. But the sensor is just for the oil level light, correct?

So, in that case, I can just remove the wires?
 
progress update

I have some progress pictures.

After pulling all the un-needed wires from the harness, I some how managed to end up with the oil press. sensor wire clipped. I followed directions exactly. In fact, I ended up clipping a few wires in addition to the ones listed on Lt1swap.com.

Since it seems the pcm doesnt care about oil press. Can I just run the wire from the LSx motor's sensor and connect it with the 87 oil press sensor wire?

I also ended up not removing any wires from the alternator plug. I remember that on the 87 its only a one or two wire deal. y5mgisi ened up just connecting the 1 brown wire I think?

I also don't have C2-D9- pink ign. 1 voltage. I did have all the rest of them.


I was going to start to tape and loom everything back up. However, I can't find non adhesive harness tape anywhere locally. I am just going to have to order from amazon or something I guess.

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Just a few shots cleaning up the motor.

Took off the power steering and cleaned it up. Replaced the O-rings for the pressure line too.

I definitely am going to do the service bulletin for the Knock sensor. It is just a little bit crusty in the rear one. Doesn't look too bad though.

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Good trick to use is the caps for the knock sensors put a bead of silicone around the bottom.
 
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