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REALLY STRONG ½TON REAR END?

I hate lines like "to each his own" and "different strokes for different folks". Relativism like that goes no where... if we're having a debate to try and figure out what is the "strongest", (Which seems to be what this debate is about.) then stick to that and only that. Dont talk about what is "enough" or what "works for you". Sure, 10 bolts may work for you, but is that what this little quarrel is about? No. This is one he|| of a thread... geez.

What is this thread about again???
 
seriously, with no offense to anyone, you don't think the 1/2 ton axle is as strong as a 3/4 or 1 ton axle do you? I've never seen a 12 bolt in a dually /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif just kidding, but if the 12 bolt works cool, don't fix it if ain't broke, mine broke 3 times /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
 
This is the initial question.....
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The title says it all I was leaning to a 10bolt over a 12 but both seem a little weak espically because I want to run a spool(with 33's mabe one day 35's) What would be my best bet to make it strong new axle shafts? Warn FF kit? I was also wondering if you could use outters from a different rear end like a 14bolt SF

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Now to me, that appears to be a question pertaining to 1/2 rears only. Maybe there's a different interpetation.

Then another poster, using the same argument throughout all 3 pages of this thread threw out this whim jim of a informative response
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Really strong 1/2 ton rear ends don't exist.
If you must stay 6 lug, find a 14bolt semi-floater.

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Now correct me if I'm wrong, the initial post was about 1/2 and it spiralled out of control there. Opinions, facts and insults were hurled back and forth at a vigorous pace to get to where we are right now. But the initial question was about 1/2 ton rears.
 
I'm sorry, your right, it just seemed like you your making the 14bff out like it was an over kill upgrade, and people who break 12 bolts are idiots who don't understand load on an axle while 4 wheeling, really though I'll admit there is a strong 12 bolt just not strong enough for myself. thats all I have to say, and after all someone did call this a debate on what is better /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
 
How can you and Chevyhuny sit there and say thebigdaddyof2 is "close-minded" and has no proof to back up his remarks? At least he ran 1/2 ton stuff for a long time and went through the constant breakage and then decided from that that 1/2 ton is worthless for any hard wheeling. Also, I havent seen any pics of you and Chevyhuny doing anything remotely as hardcore as Todd, I think I saw your rig going through a ditch and maybe a mudhole in a pic (Black K5 right?) and I havent seen anything from Chevyhuny, but yet you two are apparently experts on what works offroad and what doesnt. I realize this thread was not asking which is better, 1/2 or 3/4 or 1 ton, but you guys seem to have helped the argument along with your not so well thought out statements. Get off your high horses and admit youre wrong. Good day.
 
If you broke one 3 times, how were you driving?

I've seen one ton axles do things that a stock 1/2 can't do, but I've also seen 1/2 axles built up endure abuse that some people on here think that no matter what, it's a 1/2 ton and it will break.

In my time, I've seen 3 broke rear ends. 2 were my first 12 bolt. First time was because I let a bad pinion bearing go too long, and a month later cause the shop fawked the rebuild all up, and the other was a 14ff in a race truck running 35" tires and almost no weight on the axle.

There's a lot of factors when it comes to the lifespan of an axle, doesn't matter what size it is.
 
Good call BRB,

I agree with you that the issue at hand went out the window about 117 posts ago, but hey, people always fly into what they love yell at each other about the most. Ooo... and what more appropriate than the infamous 1/2 ton vs. 3/4 ton vs. 1 ton debate that persist until the end of time itself. Hell, maybe even longer than that.

Sometimes people may look mad, frustrated, whatever... but in the end everybody loves this. It gives a sense of belonging to stand up for your "brood" of axle... its the stuff that democracy is made of.

War on everyone... Woohoo!
 
I think Sample is trying to tell us something too... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As for the folks who come to slam 1/2 people and then proceed to say they suck and won't listen, let em. If they are too stuck on their own ideas to possibly conceive that there is other stuff out there then it's their loss. Anyone who is so close minded to not be willing to learn all aspects and explore all ideas is only losing out for themselves... this sport is about trying out all kinds of stuff and running what you feel is best for you. If you feel 1/2 tons will work, awesome. If you feel 1 tons will work, awesome. Everyone has their own ways to make things work. If you knock someone for thinking their ideas won't work, then don't expect any respect when you speak of your ideas...
 
Did you even read the whole thread?
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1/2 ton is worthless for any hard wheeling.

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Hmm, okay. Worthless huh? Let me restate this truck has 1/2 ton axles
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That would be <font color="orange">CRAWLIN70'S </font> truck. You can read what he had to say about this subject in this thread since you apparently missed it. And if you want to question the level of "hardcore" he takes this truck into, then you might want to ask all the people that saw it. There's just a few around here.

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remotely as hardcore as Todd,

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And yet another important point made in this thread that you apparently missed and since I don't know Todd and the type of wheeling he does, I can't answer that even though it's safe to say that I very rarely wheel and what I have planned, 1/2 ton is the choice.

I never claimed to be an expert, just stating the knowledge, experience and what I have seen over the years to make my statements.

As for <font color="orange">thebigdaddyof2 </font> being close-minded, let us recap yet again for those who may of missed this thread. He made 7 posts as of this writing, and only one made any thoughtful contribution to this thread, while all the other posts were
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Really strong 1/2 ton rear ends don't exist.

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ha, ha, ha.

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heh, heh, heh...LOL.

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and this.......
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You guys are killin' me...

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With all the members that have come in here and added their experiences with 1/2 ton axles successfully, remarks like those are quite non-entertaining for the masses and appears that he is unwilling like you appear to be to fully comprehend what people have said in this thread.
 
you've seen 1/2 ton axles built to endure the same abuse 1 ton axles can take? I know the answer even you would say is no, why spend the money to build these axles when a 14bff is availible at low cost, it's cool to build up a 12bolt, that is your perogative, but one time out doing some hard wheeling it will break no matter what is done, warn kit and all, full floating a 12bolt doesn't make the ring and pinion stronger, and that is what mostly breaks, the 14bff has a 10.5" ring gear with a bearing that supports the rear of the pinion, twelve bolts don't seem like there is enough meat on the case to support the pinion, plus the two pinion bearings are kind of close to eachother also making it weak, I've seen the spider pin shatter, what happens when that falls into pieces? bye bye axle, inturn causing an accident, that is why I call 12 bolts junk, it's nothing personal, just my opinion based on what I've seen, before I got into 4x4's I was into cars, and for a chevy car the 12 bolt is the sh!t to have I use to think these axles were great until I blew the first one up, oh yeh that makes it four times, in my 64 two wheel drive truck. more power to you though on your 12 bolt /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
 
And just for the record how much money did Crawlin70 put into those axles?
 
It was a pretty easy throught process for me.


My first blazer: My first wheeling trip in this truck, I broke my rear 10 bolt in about 25 minutes on a mild trail. Spider gears and pinion turned into dust.

Second blazer: My second trip to pismo and about a week after the lift and tires, I broke the front 10 bolt. This time it took about 40 minutes. Passenger side spicer joint and shaft ends blew up.


I went one ton.



Now I dont break anything.


Now, I get to drive home and wheel the next day. Pretty simple stuff, huh?

Im not trying to knock anyone at all! Just giving an idea of my thought process. It kinda helps with explaining my position.
 
good thinking. thats what I'm claimin!! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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And just for the record how much money did Crawlin70 put into those axles?

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If you were to reread this thread since I've already spent enough of my time pulling out stuff for you that you should of already read before you posted the first time, you will find the answer. <font color="orange">CRAWLIN70</font> has replied with all of those answers. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
 
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you've seen 1/2 ton axles built to endure the same abuse 1 ton axles can take?

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Please refer to my post previous to this. It will answer your questions that you have.
 
ATTENTION TO ALL FUTURE POSTERS OF THIS THREAD........................

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE THREAD IN IT'S ENTIRITY. IF YOU INSIST ON ASKING ME A QUESTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED IN THIS THREAD, I WILL IGNORE YOU. I HAVE HAD THE COMMON COURTESY TO READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, I EXPECT NO LESS FROM YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION!
 
I saw how much he spent, just wanted to hear you say it. You dont think that is a waste of money. I mean, thats more than most people pay for a K5 in good shape, and this was money spent just to make mediocre axles trailworthy. I just dont understand people with more money than they know what to do with.
 
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