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Show me your lifted legal trucks
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This paragraph is so full of California that my head is starting to spin. I feel like balancing it out with a Midwestern perspective.
In the states where I have lived, inspections are not required (neither safety nor emissions). You could walk up with a title to a truck that no longer exists and walk away with plates (they don't care what condition it's in). Both Wisconsin and Iowa have provisions for homemade vehicles (that obviously couldn't have passed any EPA or NHTSA testing). You walk up and say "I built a car," and Iowa hands you a title. Wisconsin requires a basic safety inspection before issuing a title, but only if you're starting from scratch (instead of modifying an existing title). The list of requirements for putting something on the road is very short. 2 headlights. 1 tailight. Seat belts in the front (if newer than 1966). Mud flaps or fenders. A couple of other very basic things that directly relate to road usage. Smog, engine swaps, custom suspension, beadlocks, etc. were not mentioned in any of our laws last time I read through them. You can't get a ticket for the sins of your tailpipe. Even if you're belching visibly black smoke (as owner of an original N/A 6.2 truck, I do this fairly regularly). If you build a "farm tractor," you have no restrictions aside from a maximum speed limit of 35MPH (and no requirement for registering).
Nearly every truck I've ever seen (that is still even remotely truck-like) is still street legal here. A tube buggy with fenders is registerable for road use. I'm not sure why you think California is so generous with regards to truck laws. They sound downright messed up to me.
Kinda reminds me when my buddy from New Hampshire, while proud of how much freedom he has in the "Live Free or Die" state, announced that he was selling his car because it wasn't passing inspection anymore (and he brought it to the Midwest because it wasn't saleable there without passing inspection). Doesn't sound very free to me.
I don't think the answer is smogging more lawnmowers. I think the answer is backing off some of these regulations and letting people tinker in peace. How can you ever have automotive innovation if every car has to conform to pre-existing standards?
It's not that bad and in fact I think some other states are worse with "vehicle inspections". We just have smog and as discussed previously there are many ways around this. Now if you live in LA, SF or SD and drive your lifted junk around on 40's you can expect a "fix it ticket". No different than tinting your windshield or having lights out, you can be pulled over and issued a fix it ticket for those types of things.
In that case, here is a picture of my legal truck with 0" of lift.
Totally agree. What fraction of people even want to mess with their cars? It's minuscule in the scheme of things. Add to that the fact that we haven't seen a carb in 25-30 years and all this smog stuff seems like a big waste of money and time. Plus it really sucks for people who do want to play.
You may be used to it, but to someone on the outside that mentality of "it's not that bad" just sounds crazy. What do you mean it's not bad? California is among the most intrusive of our states, and not just with regard to vehicles. Even if there are states with worse inspections (perhaps New England states?
), that doesn't make California any more civilized. 
Again, how do you ever expect to see automotive innovation if you squash the tinkerers and force them to jump through a bunch of hoops?
As an example, it would be trivial for me, as an amateur, to produce a 60MPG car in my garage. Even without inventing any new parts. But certifying them for sale across the country would be completely out of my grasp. The problem isn't technical, the problem is that there's a barrier keeping me from entering the market. So the next Ford Motor Company is blocked from even opening its doors. And we, as the car-driving population, are poorer for it, as we get stuck with whatever 7 or 8 large companies are willing to produce. And, being large companies, they are quite naturally afraid of radical new ideas. So we take good ideas and put them on the shelves because we're more comfortable with proven technology. This is not how tech leaders are produced. This is how tech stagnates. Safe bets may produce good dividends, but they do not produce significantly better cars.
More regulation is not the answer. Regulation and innovation are mutually antithetical.
wetoolowdingbangow
1/2 ton status
Not Exactly, The car motor can be put into the truck but a truck motor cannot be installed into the car. you can take a light duty engine and put it into the truck, so corvette, gto whatever is legit in a truck as long as emissions equipment is retained, but as someone else said Higher GVW engines cannot be installed into lower GVW vehicles, which is why almost no one can put a 5.3 into Camaro, RX7 etc and have it pass ref, A blazer or burb is special because they have heavier GVW ratings but are not considered commercial because of the shell. so its open to more options. Basically anything with a GVW close to 6200 would fly depending on the REF.. so there are many variables. The best thing you can do is call before you buy or install anything. The ref would tell you what is permissible. So for the record, Denali, 1500's Tahoe, Colorado v8, and any GM car motor is ok to install and should pass REF if your retaining emissions equipment. and all of those engines are rated over 280hp being the lowest and the highest being 638hp.. pretty good range
Yeah. Either way its more of pain in the ass then it needs to be. The ref can make or break you as well. Hell some swaps are possible but the cat placement alone ends it.
BARs first sentence on their website:
Engine changes continue to present problems and challenges to car owners and technicians. Our recommendation is to rebuild and reinstall the original engine, transmission, and emission control configuration.
Commies.
I can't believe joysey is ditchin inspection on the old vehicles.. actually, I can.. it's all about the money.. they can't afford to keep sniffers.... too busy giving away cell phones...
tho today's tree-fuggin society in general would think it a good idea to make 25 yr old cars illegal instead......
tho today's tree-fuggin society in general would think it a good idea to make 25 yr old cars illegal instead......
wetoolowdingbangow
1/2 ton status
This paragraph is so full of California that my head is starting to spin. I feel like balancing it out with a Midwestern perspective.
In the states where I have lived, inspections are not required (neither safety nor emissions). You could walk up with a title to a truck that no longer exists and walk away with plates (they don't care what condition it's in). Both Wisconsin and Iowa have provisions for homemade vehicles (that obviously couldn't have passed any EPA or NHTSA testing). You walk up and say "I built a car," and Iowa hands you a title. Wisconsin requires a basic safety inspection before issuing a title, but only if you're starting from scratch (instead of modifying an existing title). The list of requirements for putting something on the road is very short. 2 headlights. 1 tailight. Seat belts in the front (if newer than 1966). Mud flaps or fenders. A couple of other very basic things that directly relate to road usage. Smog, engine swaps, custom suspension, beadlocks, etc. were not mentioned in any of our laws last time I read through them. You can't get a ticket for the sins of your tailpipe. Even if you're belching visibly black smoke (as owner of an original N/A 6.2 truck, I do this fairly regularly). If you build a "farm tractor," you have no restrictions aside from a maximum speed limit of 35MPH (and no requirement for registering).
Nearly every truck I've ever seen (that is still even remotely truck-like) is still street legal here. A tube buggy with fenders is registerable for road use. I'm not sure why you think California is so generous with regards to truck laws. They sound downright messed up to me.
Kinda reminds me when my buddy from New Hampshire, while proud of how much freedom he has in the "Live Free or Die" state, announced that he was selling his car because it wasn't passing inspection anymore (and he brought it to the Midwest because it wasn't saleable there without passing inspection). Doesn't sound very free to me.
I don't think the answer is smogging more lawnmowers. I think the answer is backing off some of these regulations and letting people tinker in peace. How can you ever have automotive innovation if every car has to conform to pre-existing standards?
Trust me im not saying anything is generous out here. Also the lawnmower thing was an ironic joke, as in im sure theres a bigger negative effect from them then what i can produce.
Im an anti smog guy all the way. Itd be interesting to see LA without smoggers, probably wouldnt see the sun again lol.
First of all I'm only talking about vehicles, let's leave the other shit for another thread
Secondly I don't support any of the regulations however I do believe the requirements are heavily misunderstood by most and that was my point.
Had lunch yesterday in my buddies truck running on race gas. Yes it's legal, hard to grasp I'm sure.......
Secondly I don't support any of the regulations however I do believe the requirements are heavily misunderstood by most and that was my point.
Had lunch yesterday in my buddies truck running on race gas. Yes it's legal, hard to grasp I'm sure.......
You referring to my line or his?
I don't think the answer is smogging more lawnmowers. I think the answer is backing off some of these regulations and letting people tinker in peace. How can you ever have automotive innovation if every car has to conform to pre-existing standards?
wetoolowdingbangow
1/2 ton status
phuck the requirements
On a happy side note i got pulled over not too long ago for tint and got let go! My windows are blacked out lol! Cop asked why they were that way and i told him it keeps the car much cooler and was like meh.
On a happy side note i got pulled over not too long ago for tint and got let go! My windows are blacked out lol! Cop asked why they were that way and i told him it keeps the car much cooler and was like meh.
I like your stepside.
Bigblue7-2
1/2 ton status
When I first registered my 87 K5 it had 4" of lift and 35's. It didn't have the TBI set up anymore, in fact it was carbureted when I first started with it. So, I failed smog by like almost nothing. Then I failed because they said I had to go to a "tilt test". They then sent me to Morristown and had to go on an articulation ramp. I passed that but failed for my smog still. After a bit of screw the gov thoughts I did some asking around and found somewhere that a friend knew someone. 200 bucks later, I had a clean sticker. Unfortunately this in my mind was temporary till I could find a solution.
I dropped the Ram Jet 350 in it and still paid my way thru because I didn't even want to deal with the post Whitman emissions crap. Now things are much more lenient. This was 2002. Now it is way easier in NJ.
I drove around in my gasser 2500 for 3 years with no sticker at all and never got stopped either. But I never gave them a reason to pull me over. I'm a very observant driver
I dropped the Ram Jet 350 in it and still paid my way thru because I didn't even want to deal with the post Whitman emissions crap. Now things are much more lenient. This was 2002. Now it is way easier in NJ.
I drove around in my gasser 2500 for 3 years with no sticker at all and never got stopped either. But I never gave them a reason to pull me over. I'm a very observant driver
Bigblue7-2
1/2 ton status
Not to deviate to much from the original thread. Here was my everything legal except my darn emissions 87 k5 
These are pictures of pictures from 2003. Another trip down memory lane...
These are pictures of pictures from 2003. Another trip down memory lane...
I agree.. and if you look at a gas buddy heat map its more depressing.. I pay 3.09 for premium, across the border its 2.19 a gallon??? I am outa here as soon as I retire..
@GWeakland620, was this directed to me? I thought you were talking to @wetoolowdingbangow (so I didn't pay attention to it until I reread it). This thread has gotten downright confusing.
A few of them have been today. Yes, I like your stepside. It's just enough on the "left alone" side, that it's perfect.
Oh. Thanks. I like it, too. I repaired a bunch of rust, hired a tranny rebuild, swapped intakes, and performed just a bit of routine maintenance. It's still pretty close to GM spec. Nothing to see here.
I know you like pictures, and I have a bunch of pictures of road-tripping around the Midwest with Big Blue. Go revive the thread, and I'll share some of them.
