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1989 Crew Cab Tow Rig Build

Yeah, I thought it was gonna take me longer to find one I really wanted. At first I was gonna buy a 2wd one that wasn't even running, just a good body and hopefully find one for $1500, but as I looked even those types were going for $2000-$3000, especially here in CO.
We go lucky and found ours for $1200 as a 2wd. Course there were a few more previous owner issues than I realized there were going to be, but it still wasn't a bad price. We technically hadn't really started looking for a truck to by but when it popped up for the price we jumped on it. You really can get the best deals when you can set some money aside to jump on the deals when they pop up.
 
We go lucky and found ours for $1200 as a 2wd. Course there were a few more previous owner issues than I realized there were going to be, but it still wasn't a bad price. We technically hadn't really started looking for a truck to by but when it popped up for the price we jumped on it. You really can get the best deals when you can set some money aside to jump on the deals when they pop up.

True that. That is what happened with this one. I was looking for something just like what you got for the same price, but when I found this one, it just made too much sense and I already had enough money laying around to still purchase it even with the higher price. So I jumped on it. And this one seems to be completely unmolested. It has the original radio in it and everything. Any my brother said it doesn't look like anyone has really jacked with wiring....which I know is something you have had a bunch of fun with on yours :).

Since I paid more for a cleaner, pretty much running truck, it means I will need to build up more cash to do the motor swap (purchasing the motor and all the extra odds and ends such as motor mounts, radiator, harness and computer tune, ect) and also decide if I want to swap tranny's...which I really do just finding the right one. I am thinking eventhough I don't like the gearing of the 4l80e, it would be worth just doing the swap while I have the motor out. So we will see what deal I can find. So in the meantime, once I get this thing back here to CO I will work on making the interior nice, cause I can do that while building cash back up and looking for motor/tranny. And also I might look into painting it first before doing the swap. Anyone in the Denver/Metro/Ft. Collins/CO Springs area know someone who could do an OK paint job for me on this thing for not too expensive? :)
 
Nice CC and I like the plan....except for the Allison idea...I got a 65 hp tune in my duramax and have limped my ally a few times towing and now it can limp if I`m really pushing it without anything in tow.

Should cost me 3to 4 grand to fix that! :doah:
 
I like the Allison in my truck (2006 dmax 6 speed) it shifts great and having true tow/haul is awfully nice to have. If you can find one in a wrecked truck i say go for it if not a 4L80 is still a good trans
 
Can you tow your load in OD with the 4l80e?

In my current truck I can put it in OD while towing as long as it's truly flat and on the highway. Any other time I'm in 3rd

Nice CC and I like the plan....except for the Allison idea...I got a 65 hp tune in my duramax and have limped my ally a few times towing and now it can limp if I`m really pushing it without anything in tow.

Should cost me 3to 4 grand to fix that! :doah:

Yeah, I have read about this too. I think I have only heard of this problem with Allison's behind the duramax though. Not sure if I have heard of this problem behind the 8.1....but that could be because there are a lot more duramax's out there than the 8.1's.

I like the Allison in my truck (2006 dmax 6 speed) it shifts great and having true tow/haul is awfully nice to have. If you can find one in a wrecked truck i say go for it if not a 4L80 is still a good trans

Yeah, this is my thought too

Thanks for all the input guys! Keep it coming
 
Nice CC and I like the plan....except for the Allison idea...I got a 65 hp tune in my duramax and have limped my ally a few times towing and now it can limp if I`m really pushing it without anything in tow.

Should cost me 3to 4 grand to fix that! :doah:

The difference with that is with a 65 horse tune, that's about 120 ft lbs of torque over stock. That puts you around 700, more than an 8.1 will do and at a lower rpm.

I will also add the the 6 speed allisons hold up much better than 5 speeds but I'm not sure if they ever came behind an 8.1.
 
Nice CC and I like the plan....except for the Allison idea...I got a 65 hp tune in my duramax and have limped my ally a few times towing and now it can limp if I`m really pushing it without anything in tow.

Should cost me 3to 4 grand to fix that! :doah:


Yah I usually run in tow haul if i'm "pushing it" with the Higher tune. I haven't taken my truck out of the tow tune in years. Think its only a 50hp tune.
 
I will also add the the 6 speed allisons hold up much better than 5 speeds but I'm not sure if they ever came behind an 8.1.

As far as I know, at least in the consumer truck market, they stopped putting 8.1's in the trucks in 06 or 07, so I believe the last 2 years of the trucks with 8.1's had the 6 speed allison behind them
 
The difference with that is with a 65 horse tune, that's about 120 ft lbs of torque over stock. That puts you around 700, more than an 8.1 will do and at a lower rpm.

I will also add the the 6 speed allisons hold up much better than 5 speeds but I'm not sure if they ever came behind an 8.1.

Yes you are totally right on all of that...I guess what I should have told you guys is that my truck has a lot of klms on it and the trans is completely stock, just lots of spin on filter changes and drain the pan oil. It still shifts great and doesn't slip at all, but I know I have to take it easy. Probably should take the tune out or decrease it anyway.

My point it lots of guys will say that the Allison is bullet proof...they are not...and can be expensive to upgrade. To find a low mile ally 1000 that hasn't been beat would be imposable. And to make a 6 speed ally with tap shift work in a old square body you would have to be Russell.

It would be cool as fock to have 8.1 ally combo in that truck for sure! But I just wanted to say it might not be cheep.

On other point to add would be that if you are stuck in snow or mud and you are trying to rock the truck back and forth to get out, there is a lot of lag between forward and reveres. I have only tried that one or twice...drove me nuts.




Yah I usually run in tow haul if i'm "pushing it" with the Higher tune. I haven't taken my truck out of the tow tune in years. Think its only a 50hp tune.

Me too.... I need to lower the power I guess! Lol! Sucks cause my truck isn't even fast compared to other guys. Like Coles old Duramax.... that thing ripped real good!
 
Ok, I have posted in other parts of this forum but haven't updated this to tell what my new plan on the tranny is. After doing a crazy amount of research (more than I care to admit), I decided the allison is really not worth the trouble for me. The tunnel isn't big enough for the allison so floor modifications would be needed, would have to figure out shifters, crossmember modifications, my current 205 would need a new input shaft (the allison is a 29 spline output while I have the 32 spline input 205), redoing shafts front and rear, plus additional costs for a harness job on the tranny too. For what I want, this wasn't really worth it to me.

A 4l80e/4l85e is very doable with less headach then the allison, but with what a tuned 8.1 is going to put out, it would need to be beefed up to handle the power for sure.

Then I had the thought, "What about an NV4500?" I hadn't thought about swapping to a manual, but after doing the research, it will actually be a lot easier for me to do this swap from my current th400 than any of the aboved named options. And I am pretty sure I can make this whole set up a bolt in, while now having a tranny that I am confident will handle the tuned 8.1 power with getting my desired O/D for highway use.

So this is what I have gathered to be able to do the swap: Pick up an NV4500 (pre 1996 model means I could use the bell off a hydro SM465 and drill/tap one or two new wholes in the trans case just to get it to fit, or just use the Adavanced Adapters bell kit which is some money but looks to be a solid kit, or I could use the factory NV4500 bell housing that has external slave on it, but would probably need to lift the truck a few inches to make sure the front shaft clears everything. 1996 and up it sounds like the easiest thing to do is use the Advanced Adapters bell kit since those years are internal slaves and that won't really work with the pedals needed on the truck. I can swap any 85-91 hydro clutch pedal assembly/slave/master/line setup and it should just bolt into my truck (with little modifications) and it will work with either the AA bell kit or the SM465 bell (depending on what yr tranny I find), my round pattern 32 spline 205 will bolt to the back of the gm 4x4 NV4500 with little modifications to the casing to clear the shift rail and a coule other small bolts. The overall length of both trannys (with bell attached) seems to be extremely close, less than an inch off, so I can use my factory crossmemeber and maybe just drill new holes to line it up and driveshafts shouldn't need to be changed (should have enough slip to handle this offage). The NV4500 will bolt up to the 8.1 just fine, just need to get the correct flywheel and a clutch setup. This way I can keep a 100% stand alone harness on the motor and keep everything very simple, and also have availiable replacement OEM parts with whatever I am looking at (motor, tranny, clutch, ect...) as close as the parts store down the road.

Can anyone tell if I am missing something? I am planning to drive to Idaho and meet my brother to pick up the truck next weekend and get it back to CO. So over the next couple months I am going to be gathering all the parts necessary to do both motor/tranny swap and keep it all in my garage. Then when I am ready I will do the entire swap hopefully in a couple weekends.

Anywho, that's my plan now :)
 
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Sounds like a good plan to me:popcorn:

I think it should be a bad a$$ set up and should be fun to drive if I am towing or empty.

Oh, and what I have decided on is a 4" lift and 34" tires on this thing. My brother did some rpm calcs and this is what we came up with:

55 mph > 3rd gear (1.7:1) > 4.10:1 axle ratio > 34" tall tire = 3800 rpms (good rpms for towing to wind up the 8.1 for steeper grades)
55 mph > 4th gear (1:1) > 4.10:1 axle ratio > 34" tall tire = 2235 rpms (pretty good for slight grades towing)
70 mph > 4th gear (1:1) > 4.10:1 axle ratio > 34" tall tire = 2844 rpms (good for screaming up steep grades empty and getting 8.1 power to the ground)
75 mph > 5th gear (0.73:1) > 4.10:1 axle ratio > 34" tall tire = 2076 rpms (really good cruising speed while empty on the highways)

This is probably the best happy/medium as far as getting good power out of the 8.1 while towing and also getting pretty good rpms while empty rolling down the highway.

Question for you all. I know this has been talked about multiple times on the internet but I want to bring it up again. What is everyone's feelings on towing relatively heavy with shackle flips in the rear. Since I want a 4" lift now, if I went blocks, that is a pretty tall block (not sure if I should be worried about that or not for towing), all brand new leafs are pretty pricy, or there is the shackle flip but some have said they don't like to tow heavy with a flip. What do you guys think? What have you experienced?
 
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you're going to run bags to assist with the load right? Don't see the issue....
 
you're going to run bags to assist with the load right? Don't see the issue....

Yeah, as soon as I get everything rocking, especially with the camper in the back whenever I get that, I will definatly do an air bag set up

I was looking more at stability as the bags would only level the truck when loaded but wondering if the side to side motion is more noticeable with a flip while towing instead of the factory setup
 
Yea dont do what i did and spring the truck to carry the camper weight. The camper is gone and my kidneys are screaming every time I drive it! If I redo it I will be going flip.
 

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