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Project MULE - Expedition build on a 1991 1500 4x4 Suburban
- Thread starter pma4x4
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pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
I have a pile of room on the outside up high on the driver side so I think I may get gauge pods from Autometer for the couple of gauges I will still need. I am changing from a Cobra 29 to the Midlan 75-822 compact CB. I am not sure if I am going to use Contura switches or regular toggle with aircraft safety covers.
I still have the issue of trying to get all this around the 4wd shifter and still have access to it.
I still have the issue of trying to get all this around the 4wd shifter and still have access to it.
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
Just ordered my ALDL Bluetooth adapter from 1320 Electronics. I already have the ADX file and App installed on my tablet. This is going to be pretty cool having realtime data on my tablet from a 24yr old OBD-I system
Did I miss the link to the aldl adapter?
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
Sorry, I didn't post a link. The whole ALDL Bluetooth thing just came down real fast over the last week. I've been hanging out over at gearhead-efi forum researching my TPI swap.
http://www.reddevilriver.com/ALDL_Bluetooth.php
and this is the one i ordered
http://www.1320electronics.com/products.html
http://www.reddevilriver.com/ALDL_Bluetooth.php
and this is the one i ordered
http://www.1320electronics.com/products.html
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
A video review I did on the 1320 Electronics ALDL Bluetooth adapter and the ALDLdroid android app. This is for OBD-I GM vehicles.
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Very cool! thanks for the instructive demo
here ya go
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pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
Hey Thanks. I can never remember what the code is to get it embedded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDrzMGdYWZc
Click the YouTube button above (in the reply box) and copy & paste everything after the "=", as highlighted above
Click the YouTube button above (in the reply box) and copy & paste everything after the "=", as highlighted above
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
Ok I know the thread has been pretty quiet lately. I've been taking care of the business side of stuff and the new engine project has been getting a lot of my attention.
Here is the build list so far.
(UPDATED 07-05-2014)
We have found out our Suburban (as great as it is) is just out of power when loaded down and hitting the hills.
We decided to go with a SBC just due to the fact I found one real cheap and I don’t have to switch much of anything on the truck. Other engine ideas were explored, 5.3, 6.0 7.4 vortec and even the 8.1. The deals I ended up with for the main parts of this project just said “SBC”.
Below is the initial list of parts. I have already spoke with Compcams and TPIS. With all the info and weights I had Compcams recommended the cam in the list below. I have been doing some serious research even picked up a few reference books. Now this is not my first time building a motor but it is my first time building (per-say) a fuel injection system. If you see something wrong or I am missing please don’t flame me as this is my first initial list of something new. Input is always welcome.
Engine short block: 99 5.7 Vortec
Heads: EQ CH350C Vortec Heads (with pre-'87 intake bolt pattern)
Cam: compcams XR264HR #8-501-08
GMPP Roller lifters #12499225
Chevrolet Performance Timing Chain Sets 12371043
Est 9.5:1 CR
90-92 Tuned Port Injection
Stock runners
Stock TB
Stock Corvette (Pre '87) TPI intake
24lb blue top injectors
BBK Adjustable fuel psi regulator #BBK-1714
Speed density setup
1227730 ECM
All new sensors.
Other stuff
ALDLdorid app
Tunerpro on the laptop
1320 Electronics ALDL Bluetooth transmitter
The block is already at the shop. I am actually video logging the entire step by step build with them. Pretty much all the parts are more or less stock and is not running me much more then a regular rebuild.
Aside from the one TPI I have I just picked up another pile of TPIs. a full TPI unit from a corvette (85-86) standard head bolt pattern. and a spare unit minus plenum for F-body heads. It was a good 4th of July. $120 for both. already sold one of the throttle bodies and this just saves me spending the 400 on the Scoggin Dickey intake manifold and I should even make money on the left over parts.
Here is the build list so far.
(UPDATED 07-05-2014)
We have found out our Suburban (as great as it is) is just out of power when loaded down and hitting the hills.
We decided to go with a SBC just due to the fact I found one real cheap and I don’t have to switch much of anything on the truck. Other engine ideas were explored, 5.3, 6.0 7.4 vortec and even the 8.1. The deals I ended up with for the main parts of this project just said “SBC”.
Below is the initial list of parts. I have already spoke with Compcams and TPIS. With all the info and weights I had Compcams recommended the cam in the list below. I have been doing some serious research even picked up a few reference books. Now this is not my first time building a motor but it is my first time building (per-say) a fuel injection system. If you see something wrong or I am missing please don’t flame me as this is my first initial list of something new. Input is always welcome.
Engine short block: 99 5.7 Vortec
Heads: EQ CH350C Vortec Heads (with pre-'87 intake bolt pattern)
Cam: compcams XR264HR #8-501-08
GMPP Roller lifters #12499225
Chevrolet Performance Timing Chain Sets 12371043
Est 9.5:1 CR
90-92 Tuned Port Injection
Stock runners
Stock TB
Stock Corvette (Pre '87) TPI intake
24lb blue top injectors
BBK Adjustable fuel psi regulator #BBK-1714
Speed density setup
1227730 ECM
All new sensors.
Other stuff
ALDLdorid app
Tunerpro on the laptop
1320 Electronics ALDL Bluetooth transmitter
The block is already at the shop. I am actually video logging the entire step by step build with them. Pretty much all the parts are more or less stock and is not running me much more then a regular rebuild.
Aside from the one TPI I have I just picked up another pile of TPIs. a full TPI unit from a corvette (85-86) standard head bolt pattern. and a spare unit minus plenum for F-body heads. It was a good 4th of July. $120 for both. already sold one of the throttle bodies and this just saves me spending the 400 on the Scoggin Dickey intake manifold and I should even make money on the left over parts.
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
The center console project has began as well. Pics of that will come next week.
TPI is the coolest looking intake of all time.
Martin
Martin
Agreed. And that alone is worth 15 horsepower
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
Just traded a CB for a '88 700r4 4wd tranny. Now I have a tranny to rebuild in my fall class. Decided to take a transmission class.
looking forward to the center console, I've got mine pulled and I am still deciding what all to do to it. Tomorrow I look at some tubing to try and make a laptop mount, but still pretty undecided exactly which way to go.
If there is one thing that is going to cause you grief is going to be doing the tuning on that little ol' 165 ECM. They are not nearly as forgiving as the newer speed density stuff is with the newer 730 ECM as they only have 16kB of memory. The sampling rate on them is painfully slow which makes tuning even harder.
I would highly suggest you consider running your TPI using a newer 411 PCM. That'll gain you sequential injection instead of running batch fire and it'll also allow you far more flexibility and ease of tuning, how much engine it'll support etc. Most of the sensors are already compatible with the 411 ECM. You can use the crank sensor on the Vortec front timing cover as well.
Another option which would make life really easy is a FAST EZEFI controller. It'll run your TPI very nicely while eliminating the MAF and uses a wideband oxygen sensor for very tight AFR control / self tuning.
My buggy has a FAST system on it and I am very impressed with how well it manages my built 355 with very little run time on it to learn the engine's needs. The FAST setup doesn't control spark timing but I haven't noticed much difference. It's just as easy to install an MSD system where you can set your timing with a screwdriver as it is to change the weights and springs in a full mechanical distributor anymore. The FAST system does not have many extras for inputs (no park/neutral input, no crank / cam sensors, vehicle speed sensors etc) which makes it simple to install. The ECM is the size of a wallet and easily mounted out of the way.
I would highly suggest you consider running your TPI using a newer 411 PCM. That'll gain you sequential injection instead of running batch fire and it'll also allow you far more flexibility and ease of tuning, how much engine it'll support etc. Most of the sensors are already compatible with the 411 ECM. You can use the crank sensor on the Vortec front timing cover as well.
Another option which would make life really easy is a FAST EZEFI controller. It'll run your TPI very nicely while eliminating the MAF and uses a wideband oxygen sensor for very tight AFR control / self tuning.
My buggy has a FAST system on it and I am very impressed with how well it manages my built 355 with very little run time on it to learn the engine's needs. The FAST setup doesn't control spark timing but I haven't noticed much difference. It's just as easy to install an MSD system where you can set your timing with a screwdriver as it is to change the weights and springs in a full mechanical distributor anymore. The FAST system does not have many extras for inputs (no park/neutral input, no crank / cam sensors, vehicle speed sensors etc) which makes it simple to install. The ECM is the size of a wallet and easily mounted out of the way.
pma4x4
AKA Yankeeroad
Sorry, I forgot about updates on that.
I will actually be running the 90-92 7730 with the AUJP memcal. I found out the 7165 is not the most desired and decided to change to a speed density system. changin over to an ODBII system and aftermarket FI controller puts this project way over budget. I am over at gearhead-efi and have ran into a couple of guys already that have very similar recipes for engines and have the results I am looking for. Plus with batch firing I can use my existing harness.
I found the 7165 was a bad choice. MAF was the way to go back then but not anymore with tuning the ECMs now. Batch firing will work just fine. If I changed JUST Fuel injection technology from batch to sequential There would pretty much be no difference in power. The main advantage is a little bit of fuel efficiency if use I used the crank sensor. If this is done the injector can be controlled to gain some vaporization of fuel before entering the chamber but thats a lot of cash for the little gains. If I was starting from scratch and had nothing sitting in front of me then it might be a different story.
I will actually be running the 90-92 7730 with the AUJP memcal. I found out the 7165 is not the most desired and decided to change to a speed density system. changin over to an ODBII system and aftermarket FI controller puts this project way over budget. I am over at gearhead-efi and have ran into a couple of guys already that have very similar recipes for engines and have the results I am looking for. Plus with batch firing I can use my existing harness.
I found the 7165 was a bad choice. MAF was the way to go back then but not anymore with tuning the ECMs now. Batch firing will work just fine. If I changed JUST Fuel injection technology from batch to sequential There would pretty much be no difference in power. The main advantage is a little bit of fuel efficiency if use I used the crank sensor. If this is done the injector can be controlled to gain some vaporization of fuel before entering the chamber but thats a lot of cash for the little gains. If I was starting from scratch and had nothing sitting in front of me then it might be a different story.
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Also consider the DynamicEFI set-up, the EBL P4 will run TPI speed density. I run it with my TBI and it absolutely rocks. No chip burning required, tuning on the fly. Direct monitoring of system. Add up all it takes to do your own scanning and, burning and tuning and your probably pretty close to a ready to run EBL system.
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php
