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Soooo I did the stack this weekend......

kp texan said:
No, I'm just saying that it makes no sense to me to have duals on a 5.9L Cummins from a design standpoint (or really any common truck diesel for that matter).
ALL dual STACK setups on any diesel that is turbocharged that you see going down the road from Dodges, Duramax's, Peterbilts, Macks, Volves, etc...... is for one simple purpose.... for looks.

You could have an engine that has 4 banks somehow, it doesn't matter if they all come into a single turbo.

original balzer said:
I have been on the net all night looking at turbos ect. but for a gas engine i did however find this http://www.bankspower.com/Tech_bigdensity.cfm and read through it. Seams like all my life the old timers have said something to the effect of "look at that semi smoke must be running great". Seams thats not the case, i guess ya learn something everyday.

Balzer
Gale Banks is a dumbass, for the most part. He needs to stick with his turbo'd gassers. He believes that you should get the air to the engine first, then add fuel. That works great on a gas engine... add a supercharger or turbo... push a ton of air and then inject or dump the gas in on top of it. You regulate a gas engine by controlling the air going into the engine. This is why a blown big block 502 making 700HP is going to get 4 (?)mpg in a car...it's going to consume a certain amount of air and the fuel has to be matched or it leans out and burns down.

With a diesel, fuel is your means of engine control. Your foot controls the amount of FUEL being injected, not air. As you dump the fuel to the cylinders, the heat generated spools the turbo and brings in the air on top of the fuel. Now, this is why a 700HP twin turbo'd Cummins Dodge can still get 20mpg, air is free and you can CONTROL the amount of fuel, in a sence HP, that the engine makes.

Where Banks is wrong is that you have to dump fuel to get heat, which then spools the turbo, and then pushes air. On big HP Dodges, they are going to smoke when you lay into the throttle. It's called "roll the coal":D

Once the turbo spools, you shouldn't smoke hardly at all. The turbo should get on top of the fuel once it's boosting hard and completely clean up the exhaust color. If it's not, than the turbo is hurt, is WAY too large for the engine and it's fueling rate, or most likely in a pickup, is being overfueled and the turbo simply can't supply enough air to clean up the mixture.

That would be why Demon is a smart dude and is running a mean set of compounding twins....:bow:

So, a good running efficient diesel is NOT going to smoke hardly at all, just maybe lightly at take off or anytime the turbo needs respooling. It's basically the same idea with a hotrod diesel, just more dramatic because the fueling rate is much higher and larger turbo(s) spool slower.
 
yup. and most if not ALL hotrodder diesels REMOVE low boost defueling.


What a trainwreck...........


........kinda looks like this.........no wait.....exactly like this......

The big mofo HT4C (3.5" compressor wheel - 26cm hot housing) on the bottom is a 5" outlet to my 5" down pipe. to the 5" straight pipe to the 6" stack.

TwinsInstall019.jpg

TwinsInstall021.jpg
 
Yep your right gale banks is a dumbass. You said everything in that article only in a differnt way basicaly. So does that make you a dumbass too? I guess haveing 2 of the fastest diesel pickups makes him a dumbass, correct? You should read a little b4 you chime in and look like........nevermind im done now i wont go any lower.

Balzer
 
Hey Demon, I believe you need to post more pictures of your rig, all i can say is Awesome!!!
 
rjfguitar said:
He believes that you should get the air to the engine first, then add fuel.
This is how old Detroit 2 strokes work. Maybe the thinking is like that because that's the way it was done. :dunno:
 
i think stacks are badass because around where i live you rarely see stacks, so its unique.
 
DEMON44 said:
yup. and most if not ALL hotrodder diesels REMOVE low boost defueling.


What a trainwreck...........


........kinda looks like this.........no wait.....exactly like this......

The big mofo HT4C (3.5" compressor wheel - 26cm hot housing) on the bottom is a 5" outlet to my 5" down pipe. to the 5" straight pipe to the 6" stack.

TwinsInstall019.jpg

TwinsInstall021.jpg


:eek1: :eek1: :eek1:

Specs, specs, what are the specs on your rigs engine????!!!!!
 
ARAMP1 said:
This is how old Detroit 2 strokes work. Maybe the thinking is like that because that's the way it was done. :dunno:

The Detroit 2 strokes are a different deal because of the blower on them. I don't know much about them, and would prefer to not even debate them.
 
original balzer said:
Yep your right gale banks is a dumbass. You said everything in that article only in a differnt way basicaly. So does that make you a dumbass too? I guess haveing 2 of the fastest diesel pickups makes him a dumbass, correct? You should read a little b4 you chime in and look like........nevermind im done now i wont go any lower.

Balzer

So how many of his different programming boxes did you say you have used from Gale again? I forgot, what Banks hardparts are on your truck?

You don't know, because you aren't running a late model diesel pickup and keep up on the electronic hot rod diesel hobby...... I do and I basically know what people like and dislike.

A REAL hotrod diesel nut has Banks at the bottom of the list for performance upgrades, because Banks doesn't want to get a little nasty with their programming and make some power like Edge, TST, Bluechips, Bullydog, etc can. Banks is just way too conservative to really throw down the power from off idle to full RPM like the others.

Banks cost a fortune too, their Powerpack things are super expensive. Banks is great for your Grandpa and his '99 Ford wanting to get 10mph better pulling his RV over the hill, not trying to pull into the 12's in the quarter mile.

Banks has the "fastest" trucks in the world because he's flipping loaded and wants to sell his cheeseball parts. Banks, along with K&N, have the best advertising out there. If you would go and buy a Banks programmer because you see an add that he has a fast truck....because he has millions of dollars to build whatever (not to mention his Dakota has an ATS trans and does NOT use his turbos)he wants, than you are an add tool....

I forgot again, what did you say you are running in your late model diesel?
 
OK here we go again, my point was, and i hope you read this this time, is you said the same stuff the article said but in a differnt way. The only thing you seam to say differnt is something about DUMPING feul to the engine.

You are correct i dont have a late model diesel truck. But if "dumping feul" is the key to diesel power why do people use nitrous and propane systems to "lean them out"? Im not trying to sound like a know it all, or start some hate. I am trying to learn something, you get all offencive and say gale banks is a dumbass after i read the article and learned the alot of black smoke does not mean its running the best it can. So in a way you was calling me a dumb ass too correct? Well my friend like i said im trying to learn. If you got some positive feedback by all means post up, but if you just have small dog syndrome and need to call names and act like your the all knowing and everyone else is a retard then STFU i dont want your negitive BS. Back to gale banks sure he may be conservitive, but im sure that more to protecting all that money he does have. Lawsuit settlements can break even the richest men and if hundreds of thousands of customers had problems that would be a whole lot of lost money... BLAH im not even here to defend gale banks.

Anyway like i said i want to learn you apperantly know more than I do.
Im not even being sarcastic. So teach me something without sounding like i just read that long ass article for no reason would ya. Im sorry but even if you or anyone is the smartest person on any particular subject. Nobody wants to listed to a cocky smartguy. Calm down and talk in a civilised maner and everyone will listen.

Once again just to clear this up Im here to learn. Dont assume Im another "know-it-all jackass" and throw me in with the likes of howdidy or what ever he/she is called. Sure my posts are under 1000 but i have been here a long time and learned alot.

Thanx
Balzer
 
rjfguitar said:
The Detroit 2 strokes are a different deal because of the blower on them. I don't know much about them, and would prefer to not even debate them.
Actually, they're different because they have no exhaust stroke, but fair enough on not debating them (BTW, I'm by no means an expert). It's kind of off subject from the side subject that the origional post got sidetracked from anyway. :crazy:
 
Not a big fan of stacks but you truck is bad ass. :bow: :bow:

You can see what RJF is talking about on pulling tractors. The blow alot of black smoke for about 3 secs until the turbo spools and starts pushin the boost.

Dik
 
original balzer said:
You are correct i dont have a late model diesel truck. But if "dumping feul" is the key to diesel power why do people use nitrous and propane systems to "lean them out"?

Let me rephrase that. I don't mean like dumping a 5 gallon bucket of diesel into the engine.:doah: :haha: When you stomp on the pedal, the injection system is going to squirt and atomize a rich amount of fuel, the actuall amount or how rich depends on the fueling rate that is setup for the engine. That is where Banks really lacks bad, he doesn't like his products to inrichen hard under initial throttle, because he doesn't want smoke. Just to clarify, people think black smoke is unburnt fuel, technically it's burnt fuel with a lack of oxygen. Unburnt fuel is usually white smoke. Anyway.... if the fueling of the pump, injectors, and eletronics are aggressive and push more fuel under no or little boost, your throttle response gets better, makes the turbo spool a lot faster which then makes it come alive and about throw the driver through the back window of the truck when that turbo gets on top of all that fuel.:D Banks likes to easily fuel, get that turbo starting to spool, and progressively go to full power. This isn't as much and and obviously hurts ET's at the track.
Im not trying to sound like a know it all, or start some hate. I am trying to learn something, you get all offencive and say gale banks is a dumbass after i read the article and learned the alot of black smoke does not mean its running the best it can. So in a way you was calling me a dumb ass too correct?
I never did, and never will call anyone a Dass for trying to learn. I didn't mean it towards you like that either. You know 4 wheel drives and offroading right? Ok... if a "boat guy" told you the brand Super Swamper produced some of the worst tires for offroad use....what would you say? :crazy:

Back to gale banks sure he may be conservitive, but im sure that more to protecting all that money he does have. Lawsuit settlements can break even the richest men and if hundreds of thousands of customers had problems that would be a whole lot of lost money... BLAH im not even here to defend gale banks.
You basically are your own warranty station when you start messing with ANY kind of late model vehicle. If you put a Bully Dog Crazy Larry 200HP program on your 2007 Dodge Cummins.... then blow the transmission into 1.5 million pieces.... thats on you. It's basically "play at your own risk."

Banks is a smart guy, or at least the people that work for him are I guess. They advertise and advertise, and advertise some more when everyone else is out of money and can't advertise anymore.... so, people that aren't into the hobby and get a chance to talk to other people, will likely start to look into Banks products. Just as if I was just getting into offroading myself and happened to notice all the Toyo tire advertisements EVERYWHERE. Their claims of being the best tire offroad echos loudly within their advertising.... so I would likely think that if I wanted to hit the mud, I need a Toyo M/T. Likely, a TSL Bogger would be the pimp choice for a mud tire, but I wouldn't have a clue because I never see Interco adds.

So anyway...:doah: Banks kits contain everything to hop up your diesel by about 100HP or so, from guages to the exhaust, intake, and programmer. The kits are easy to install, work well, and REALLY cater to the older guy crowd doing RV towing and what not.

But, line up a 2001 Dodge Cummins with a Banks Power Pack next to my 2001 with an Edge Hot Juice, MBRP exhaust, my custom intake, trans.... and I'll walk all over it in the 1/4 mile, sled pull, towing, fuel mileage, and my setup cost 5/8 as much as the Banks kit.
 
CDA 455 said:
:eek1: :eek1: :eek1:

Specs, specs, what are the specs on your rigs engine????!!!!!


I posted my engine specs in post #11 on page #1



AFE, Smarty ECM, TST PM3, Industrial Injection HRVP, Jammer 5 150hp injectors, Holset Twins HX40 HT4C, relocate LP w/1/2" line no more banjos, ARP HeadStuds.
2" coil spacers, Solid Steel DSS & 3rd Gen trackbar conversion, Borgeson shaft,
5" straight, SBC DD 3600, short shift, updated 5th nut and welded
 
DEMON44 said:
I posted my engine specs in post #11 on page #1


Wow!!

If you're pushing 500-600RWHP, then you have to be producing 1200-1400FTLBS of torque :eek1: :eek1: !!


Is it the BD kit?

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maybe more like 1000-1200ftlbs. no not BD twins. JR Adkins twins.......I'm actually in the midst of altering my twins and setting them up on my 12valve. to install into the '98/ as I've recently confirmed a hurt headgasket on my 24valve even with the ARP headstuds. I'll have to o-ring the 12valve head and stick a marine headgasket in there. I'm going to drop the HT4C for a HT3B that I've got in the garage. and keep the HX40 on top. It'll help the spool time alot. also I'm ditching the 50mm external wastgegate. The 4C doesn't light till around 2200-2300rpm but its rediculous when its on. It would have been way better if I had an auto.....but I don't.


actually you see the 606rwhp truck of "dlange"........thats who I got this set from. The '01 was his sledpuller truck. The 677 of Mike Holmen is a local guy too. Mike recently layed a rollon asswhoopin to a stock Z06 vette on the highway. not once not twice but a solid 5 times. he was pretty stoked about that.


600+ HP Club:
682/???? (Don M) 97 3500 CCLB 5spd 4x4- C,E,F,G,H,I,K,S,X125,Z
677/1400 (Mike Holmen) 02 dodge QC, 4X4, SB- A,B,E,H,I,K,TT,X-220,Z
677/1191 (banshee) 04 2500 QCSB 6 spd 4x4- A,C,E,I,N,S,W,X,Z
675/1200+ (Rottin Rhonda) '98 12v 2500 4x4 auto- B,E,F,G,H,I,TT,X
665/???? (MDW) 95 2500 Xcab Auto 2wd- B,E,F,G,H,I,K,L,M,N,O,TT,Z
663/1632 (Ponci) '96 2500- b,e,f,g,h,i,k,tt,x,z
659/1534 (Luken) 05 2500 QCSB Auto 4x4- A,B,D,E,I,T,Z
658/1206 (sleds) 2000 5spd 4x4- a,c,d,e,I,m,t,x,z
647/1297 (Mike S) 04 Laramie 4X4- A,B,E,TT,X=F1,Z,cp3
640/???? (crawler) 99 2wd 5sp 3500 QC- A,C,E,H,I,TT,X?,Z
636/1200+ (Huff nPuff) 01 auto 4x4 QC- A, B, E, H, I, TT, X, Z
628/1366 (rjohnson) 02 2500 QCLB Auto- 4x4 A,B,E,H,I,M,TT,X150,Z
617/1200+ (bwillard) '01.5 2500 4x4 ETC- various.
614.5-1200 (elandon) 01.5 QCLB Auto 4X4- A,B,E,I,N,T,X200,Z
613/1187 (dockboy) 00 Ford PSD F-250 SCLB Auto 4x4- B,E,H,I,M,N,T,X(DT530's),Y,Z
610/1210 (Jetpilot) 2002- A,B,E,H,T,X=Mach 6'S,Z.
607/1184 (Stomp) 93W250- C,E,G3200,H,I,M,TT,X?
606/???? (dlange) 01 dodge 2500- a,b,d,e,h,i,tt,x,z
605/1293 (CrashCade) '05 Qcab 4x4 on 37's- b.d.e,i,n,p
604/1150 (Tomeygun) 03 3500 QUAD CAB,SO/5-SPD, A,C,E,I,T,Z,X80
600/1157 (Mooseman) 01 2500 QCSB auto 4X4-A,B,E,I,L,M,T,X(M4),Z


500+ HP Club:
591/??? (lukecline) F530- B,D,E,H,I,N,T (hybrid h2e),X (530 hybrids),Z
586/???? (Idaho CTD) '04.5 2500 QCLB 4x4- A,B,D,E,I,TT,Z
579/???? (1dslram) 96 3500- B,E,F,G 4K, H, I, K, TT, X 370's.
565/1093 (ctd89-99) A,B,E,I,K,T,X,Z
550/1090 (Got Juice?) 02 DMX 32V EXT LB 4x4 - A,B,D,H,I, TT
550/1050 (CQUESTAD) 04 2500 QCLB Auto 4x4 - A,B,E,I,T,Z
547/1375 (texaspower19) 06 3500 QC 4x4 6spd- ??
547/1010 (John Rodriguez) 05 2500 4x4- A,D,E,I,N
544/1003 (dubadub) 03 2500 QCSB auto 4X4- A E I T X
542/???? (Bart Timothy) '01 ETH-
540/939 (John_P) 2002 Dodge CTD, QC, 4WD, Auto- A,B,E,T,X
529/1138 (Dieselboats) 02 Dmax cc Sb 4x4- a,b,d,e,h,i,l,o,tt,z
522/930 (RamWheelsBy4) 04.5 2500 QCSW Auto 4x4- A,B,D,I,T,Z
514/1028 (duke1n) 02 5sp- A,C,E,I,T,X150,Z
512/934 (dsteinke) 04 QCLB 6spd 4x4 - A,A,C,E,I,T,Z
511/1052 (KLockliear) 01 2500 QCSB ETH 6spd 4x4- A,C,E,I,K,T,X125,Z
506/912 (crawlinjp) 03 3500 qclb 6spd 4x4-A,C,E,I,T,Z
504/893 (Rick D) 2004.5 QC LWB- A(TST+VA), C, E, I, TT, Z
504/???? (Billy Ram) 04.5 Quad 4x4- A,B,E,I,L,T,Z
501/972 (Augusta) '02 2500 QCSB 4x4- A,B,E,I,T,X125,Z
500/968 (Leigh Ann) '04 3500 QCLB Auto 4x4 - A,B,I,T
 
Damn, damn, damn :eek1: :eek1: !!

What set up would you recommend for towing with a Cummins?

It appears that kind of performance is race-oriented.
 
probably depends what kind of towing you do. If you look at Rottin Rhonda up there towards the top, i know she tows her horse trailers and stuff around with her race setup
 
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