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Going to throw this back out there, i want you FITech guys to answer this...

One gallon tank with a electric pump in it. Doesn't recirc to the main tank. How could this not heat the fuel, especially at low consumption, such as crawling?
Pondered that myself but I think a gallon of fuel will stay just as cool as the fuel that would be flowing through a normal manual pump setup or the bowls on a carburetor.
 
Pondered that myself but I think a gallon of fuel will stay just as cool as the fuel that would be flowing through a normal manual pump setup or the bowls on a carburetor.
Nah, that electric pump in the small tank has to dissipate heat somewhere.
Thinking the factory setup for the pump works just fine
 
Mercury marine uses a vapor separator tank like this and we haven't seen any vaporlock issues with them. The only reason the pump would get hot is if it's on it's way out or cavitating because of a plugged return line or something like that. They're also under the cowl and bolted to the side of the block so they definitely experience some heat soak. Ive really considered running one on my crawler but they are $700+ new. Used ones are about the same price as the command center.

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And I just learned that the FCC has a deadhead pump and no return back the the FCC. Thought it returned from the throttle body...
 
Damn this is making me laugh out loud! Mark is posting and getting replies about FiTech when he's not even close to ever using one! :haha:

So back on topic -hehe- there have been problems with the FiTech Fuel Command Center (FCC) heating up the pump. They did a fix with programming in the system. I don't fully understand it so I'll just paste it here:
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on all the new EFI setups, there will be another parameter to set on the EZ Start menu.

It will be Pulse Width Management percentage setting for the fuel pump. Supposedly all of their EFI setup's PWM default to higher settings, normally only used for an external, or intank, pump without a return line used. The FCC pump is a dead headed 340lph, compared to most common external, or intank pumps being 255lph, or even 340lph with a return. The 340lph dead heading FCC pump overheats, which boils fuel out of the vent, which then blocks the venting process....a snowball effect.

Actually makes perfect sense...

He said my FCC was left powered up for 4 days and with the Fuel Pump IDLE Pulse Width Management set at 38%, the pump temperature was barely higher than a pump that's not running.​
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I still think it's odd not to run a return off the unit like you would without the FCC. I was thinking the FCC would be the answer for me but I worry about its performance on trail on a hot day and very slow speeds.

I think the FCC would work fine for a typical user's situation, but slow crawling on a difficult trail is not normal.

So when are you getting the FiTech Mark? :haha:
 
And I just learned that the FCC has a deadhead pump and no return back the the FCC. Thought it returned from the throttle body...
That is correct, with the FCC the return on the TBI unit is just capped.

Actually Edelbrock has a similar setup and I haven't seen any complaints with theirs. It's also more expensive.
 
I ended up purchasing a little aftermarket fuel gauge from summit and I also purchased this:

http://mnpctech.com/bulgin-modmytoy...n/red-led-fighter-pilot-toggle-switch-en.html

It has a little dummy red light that turns on when you have it on. I'm going to make a little simple mount to have the toggle switch and the smaller gauge right next to each other. That way, when I flip the switch, I'll have a bright red light in my face reminding me that my transfer pump is on, and I'll be able to watch the little gauge on the storage tank go down while I watch my normal fuel gauge on my cluster go up....that's about as fool proof as I could make it without doing the relay option that bent72 mentioned.

Obviously I haven't hooked this up yet as the stupid truck isn't even running yet, but I did do a ruff in of the wires to the tank and the toggle switch to make sure it work, and when I flipped the switch, the light came on and the pump started running. So I just need to make my little mount for these two things, and run the final wiring for it all...shouldn't be too hard, just some time to get it done
Only downside to this is if/when you walk away from the truck. Probably not an issue for what you're using the truck for but more likely on the trail.

I was wondering about getting a switch with a timer so that after some period of time it would shut off.

Or a switch that has to be held down manually.

The only thing that kinda sucks about swapping in a burban tank on the pickups is relocating the filler door/tube which involves body work (I hate body work), but all the other aspects to it are nicer than the saddle tanks.
I'm not convinced a burb tank would fit back there but I haven't measured. It is something I've considered.
 
The mercury VST is a returnless system also. lol good hijack @mrk5
As for the FCC I would love to try one out but I spent the $$$ elsewhere because I wasn't interested in it until later on. And to be honest I would be skeptical too if I hadn't been exposed to the mercury fuel system.
 
The mercury VST is a returnless system also. lol good hijack @mrk5
As for the FCC I would love to try one out but I spent the $$$ elsewhere because I wasn't interested in it until later on. And to be honest I would be skeptical too if I hadn't been exposed to the mercury fuel system.
I was thinking a fella could put a heat shield around the FCC. Can't be in a hurry for the FCC tho; their backordered until December. Also a good chance that date will get pushed further out too.
 
Damn this is making me laugh out loud! Mark is posting and getting replies about FiTech when he's not even close to ever using one! :haha:

So back on topic -hehe- there have been problems with the FiTech Fuel Command Center (FCC) heating up the pump. They did a fix with programming in the system. I don't fully understand it so I'll just paste it here:
--------------------------------
on all the new EFI setups, there will be another parameter to set on the EZ Start menu.

It will be Pulse Width Management percentage setting for the fuel pump. Supposedly all of their EFI setup's PWM default to higher settings, normally only used for an external, or intank, pump without a return line used. The FCC pump is a dead headed 340lph, compared to most common external, or intank pumps being 255lph, or even 340lph with a return. The 340lph dead heading FCC pump overheats, which boils fuel out of the vent, which then blocks the venting process....a snowball effect.

Actually makes perfect sense...

He said my FCC was left powered up for 4 days and with the Fuel Pump IDLE Pulse Width Management set at 38%, the pump temperature was barely higher than a pump that's not running.​
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I still think it's odd not to run a return off the unit like you would without the FCC. I was thinking the FCC would be the answer for me but I worry about its performance on trail on a hot day and very slow speeds.

I think the FCC would work fine for a typical user's situation, but slow crawling on a difficult trail is not normal.

So when are you getting the FiTech Mark? :haha:
You pass me up Eisenhower, we'll talk
 
One other problem with FCC is it can only have maximum of 8psi inlet pressure so I would need a regulator to drop the pressure of the TBI pumps down.
 
One other problem with FCC is it can only have maximum of 8psi inlet pressure so I would need a regulator to drop the pressure of the TBI pumps down.


I'm a little lost now...Is there some advantage to the FCC system? Listening to you guys it sounds inferior in several regards. :dunno:
 
One other problem with FCC is it can only have maximum of 8psi inlet pressure so I would need a regulator to drop the pressure of the TBI pumps down.
I honestly don't know how much power can be gained from this system over the stock TBI. It would be great to see the same truck dynoed pull with each system
 
I was thinking a fella could put a heat shield around the FCC. Can't be in a hurry for the FCC tho; their backordered until December. Also a good chance that date will get pushed further out too.
Haven't looked for a while but if you order the throttle body with the FCC you can get them sooner. It's been a while since I looked though.
 
I'm a little lost now...Is there some advantage to the FCC system? Listening to you guys it sounds inferior in several regards. :dunno:
It just replaces the factory ECM

I want to see the FITech with a knock sensor, hate leaving extra timing on the table
 
It just replaces the factory ECM

I want to see the FITech with a knock sensor, hate leaving extra timing on the table

The FCC does? I thought that was just the 1-gallon tank, an optional addon for those not running factory-style fuel pumps.

Or maybe I'm more confused than I thought.
 
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