I like Nitto TerraGrapplers. Had a set on our Super Duty that worked great. I scored a great deal on a set of 37's that will go on my crew cab after the winter build stuff.
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Terra Grapplers are nice too. I've just heard they are pretty pricey.
The Super Duty had 18" wheels so tires were expensive due to being uncommon. But the TerraGrapplers were the best price for a good brand in the 18". I got lucky on the 37s for the crew cab so I don't know how they compare price wise.
My wheeling is minor compared to yours, but for all around use i've never gone wrong with the BFG's. Have has 2 sets of the old ones on my 91, and have done fine in the snow, mild off road, and lots of highway / towing miles. I've got the new ones on the fleet trucks at work, and they dominate. Most recent axle issue on the Dmax killed those tires, and will be going with 285 BFG atko2's. No questions asked.
I haven't tried the KO2's yet however the rugged terrain BFG's I have on the 4dr Tahoe have been absolute crap. Weather cracks, chunked tread, sliced sidewalls and pretty well worn out at 25K. America's tire told me the cracking is normal so I won't be buying BFG's again.
I'm going back to Coopers, they performed great and I got 50K miles out of them on the same rig.
I'm going back to Coopers, they performed great and I got 50K miles out of them on the same rig.
Duly noted.
I'm in a similar boat picking tires for my build. I don't want road noise, I don't want balancing issues, but I don't want a straight highway tread, either. I've liked the BFGs for quite a while, but their reviews are not particularly great.
I like what I read about the Goodyear MT/R Kevlar tires. A while back I had a nice set quoted to me fairly cheaply with a 60k tread life warranty. I don't put much stock in mileage warranties (I've had several that weren't honored for weaselish reasons), but it is something that a bunch of large tires don't carry. Not sure what they're doing now, but it's one thing that I plan to look into when tire time comes.
Until then I'll just soak up the anecdotal info that you guys are sharing.
Yeah, cracking shouldn't ever be "normal," nor should a tire be worn out after 25K.
Pretty sure if Paul Walker had a way to communicate from the grave I'm sure he'd tell you cracks in tires is a sign of a tire that has lived past its usable life. You may want to get those checked and replaced by a new company than the one your previous comments were illicited from before you do have the chance to commune with him, especially if you are doing any highway driving
Not a lot of people acknowledge it but rubber starts breaking down as soon as it is exposed to Sunlight so even if they are low miles they can be extremely hazardous to drive On if they have been in a vehicle for 3 or 4 years, especially if it is not driven frequently.
Not a lot of people acknowledge it but rubber starts breaking down as soon as it is exposed to Sunlight so even if they are low miles they can be extremely hazardous to drive On if they have been in a vehicle for 3 or 4 years, especially if it is not driven frequently.
Yes.
I've also noticed that different tires age at different rates. In 2011 I bought 2 brand new tires (late 2010 date code) for the front of my K10. In 2014 I retired both of them because they were cracked and shelling off pieces of rubber (not acceptable in my book). In addition to having blowout potential, they were no longer balanced. They were about 15,000 miles old.
For several years now I've been running a pair of no-name 1997 tires in the back, and they have worn through a bunch of the tread without showing any cracking. Despite their age and several years of parking the truck outside (plus whatever else happened in the 15 years before I got them), they may well reach the bottom of the tread before cracking becomes an issue.
I've seen this happen quite a few times (anecdotally), where a friend or family member will buy brand new tires and have them cracking during the first year of usage. Maybe folks are buying the wrong brands, but the 1999 tires I have on my trailer are almost perfectly uncracked, even as the tread is getting thin. I'm not sure what the right answer is here, but cracking doesn't hafta be "normal," nor is it something that should be accepted.
This was one of my less happy days, but really it turned out pretty well as nobody got hurt and it could have been much worse.
I don't like cracked tires, period. The risk of failure is too high to tolerate.
Cracked kills...
You know, I've seen more BFGoodrich tires separated, taking fenders, mirrors and other stuff with them than any other brand. A majority of them were A/Ts as well. No matter how much good I hear about the KO2, the image of a 5' long piece of tread flying past my open window at 70mph will stick with me when I hear the words "BFG all terrain."
In the last two years I've encountered more mud than snow. Even if (when) my wife and I move away from Las Vegas, I don't intend to live anywhere that gets tons of snow. I'm a desert rat, not sure how I'd handle that shit.
Cool tires but I'm definitely looking at a quieter, smoother rolling A/T.
I've read about and seen KO2s cracking with less than 10k on them.
I remember a long long time ago Mythbusters did a segment about a tractor trailer tire carcass going through car windshields, which was frightening in itself, but the one area they never explored, which as a motorcycle rider, I wish they had, was the what-if scenario of one hitting a biker or going through the side window of a car (because it can happen due to a blow out).
Now, I preface with that because, as a rider I pay a lot more attention to the state of the tires on whatever I ride, and I am also usually concerned about value vs performance. At least every few days or once a week I'll do a quick lookover at the tires on whatever I am putting myself in or on to make sure they are not showing any weirdness.
The BFG's on my Frontier may allow another 10K given the wear indicators but since I got the truck in June of 2013 I'm thinking they are probably going to start going downhill fast in the sheer quality of the rubber, but I will admit, I have definitely gotten my 60,000 miles out of them.
I took a close look and I have some cracks in between tread blocks. I figure a lot of that has to do with heat cycles as much as anything. I figure about 40K or more of my total miles has been highway speeds around 65 to 80 mph.
Still not a bad wear pattern. Amazing what keeping them balanced, rotated, and a good alignment will do for wear...
Now, I preface with that because, as a rider I pay a lot more attention to the state of the tires on whatever I ride, and I am also usually concerned about value vs performance. At least every few days or once a week I'll do a quick lookover at the tires on whatever I am putting myself in or on to make sure they are not showing any weirdness.
The BFG's on my Frontier may allow another 10K given the wear indicators but since I got the truck in June of 2013 I'm thinking they are probably going to start going downhill fast in the sheer quality of the rubber, but I will admit, I have definitely gotten my 60,000 miles out of them.
I took a close look and I have some cracks in between tread blocks. I figure a lot of that has to do with heat cycles as much as anything. I figure about 40K or more of my total miles has been highway speeds around 65 to 80 mph.
Still not a bad wear pattern. Amazing what keeping them balanced, rotated, and a good alignment will do for wear...
I'm not sure you're thinking of the tires I'm talking about.
Never noticed road noise in the Super Duty.
I wish the Goodyear Duratrac was available in 37".
I'm not sure you're thinking of the tires I'm talking about.
I run those tires on my 2 door tahoe, very quiet and comfy tire. Does pretty well in the snow too.
I'm not sure you're thinking of the tires I'm talking about.
Never noticed road noise in the Super Duty.
I wish the Goodyear Duratrac was available in 37".
Ah, I thought you were talking about the trail grappler. I also with the duratrac came in a 37".
For what it's worth, I really like my MTRs. More aggressive than you've laid out, but a great balance of noise, performance, and durability.
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Ive got some Falken's and they're not bad onroad. Decent reviews - but they've changed up their designs and have both an at and mt now. If their new designs are as good as their old they'll wear like iron.
I can tell you this story. I had a 78 Town car, the old full size barge. A load of us were heading out to lunch one afternoon. I was doing around 80 when the left rear tire let go. It sliced through the wheel well and trunk like butter. Ruined an otherwise pristine car.
It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what would happen if a 100 lb+ chunk of tire hits a human body at speed. Game over....stop one day and pick up a piece of truck tire (I call them gators). It took years before it sunk into my Bride why she should not drive next to a big trucks wheels...
It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what would happen if a 100 lb+ chunk of tire hits a human body at speed. Game over....stop one day and pick up a piece of truck tire (I call them gators). It took years before it sunk into my Bride why she should not drive next to a big trucks wheels...
I remember a long long time ago Mythbusters did a segment about a tractor trailer tire carcass going through car windshields, which was frightening in itself, but the one area they never explored, which as a motorcycle rider, I wish they had, was the what-if scenario of one hitting a biker or going through the side window of a car (because it can happen due to a blow out).
Now, I preface with that because, as a rider I pay a lot more attention to the state of the tires on whatever I ride, and I am also usually concerned about value vs performance. At least every few days or once a week I'll do a quick lookover at the tires on whatever I am putting myself in or on to make sure they are not showing any weirdness.
The BFG's on my Frontier may allow another 10K given the wear indicators but since I got the truck in June of 2013 I'm thinking they are probably going to start going downhill fast in the sheer quality of the rubber, but I will admit, I have definitely gotten my 60,000 miles out of them.
I took a close look and I have some cracks in between tread blocks. I figure a lot of that has to do with heat cycles as much as anything. I figure about 40K or more of my total miles has been highway speeds around 65 to 80 mph.
Still not a bad wear pattern. Amazing what keeping them balanced, rotated, and a good alignment will do for wear...
My van was hit by a chucked 18 wheeler tread in TN when I was following one towing three trailers hooked in tandem..luckily it flew high enough to miss the windshield and only slap the roof as it flew past,it sounded like the roof caved in,but I was surprised it didn't leave any dents,just black drag marks !..
I know a guy who ran over a full recap 18 wheeler tread one night,it flattened both his front tires,he lost control and ended up sideswiping a guard rail,and the wrecker had to lift his truck up off it to tow it--his transmission crossmember and the pan were torn back,and I'm pretty sure they totaled it..those tire treads are heavy,deadly weapons,whether they get flung off at you.or you just run one over after they fly off..
I've had several (used) high dollar brand tires like Michelin's and others like B.F. Goodrich and Firestones ,Goodyears,that had severe weather cracking going on,the Michelin ones were worst,and had cracks in the area between the tread grooves,while most of the others had them on the shoulders and sidewalls..I've only had a few pop,and luckily I was not going 65 mph or making any turns at the time..most of the time a tire will give at least a few seconds warning before failing..
I have had other "cheap" tires I still am using as rollers to move my vehicles around the yard that were on them when I got them decades ago,and still have nary a crack anywhere--the compound the rubber is made of looks to have ground up glass in it,and is a harder composition than most tires..
I've seen new lawn tractor and trailer tires made in China that have cracks large enough to stick a nickel in after a year or two of sun exposure..seems they aren't much good at making rubber...
I know a guy who ran over a full recap 18 wheeler tread one night,it flattened both his front tires,he lost control and ended up sideswiping a guard rail,and the wrecker had to lift his truck up off it to tow it--his transmission crossmember and the pan were torn back,and I'm pretty sure they totaled it..those tire treads are heavy,deadly weapons,whether they get flung off at you.or you just run one over after they fly off..
I've had several (used) high dollar brand tires like Michelin's and others like B.F. Goodrich and Firestones ,Goodyears,that had severe weather cracking going on,the Michelin ones were worst,and had cracks in the area between the tread grooves,while most of the others had them on the shoulders and sidewalls..I've only had a few pop,and luckily I was not going 65 mph or making any turns at the time..most of the time a tire will give at least a few seconds warning before failing..
I have had other "cheap" tires I still am using as rollers to move my vehicles around the yard that were on them when I got them decades ago,and still have nary a crack anywhere--the compound the rubber is made of looks to have ground up glass in it,and is a harder composition than most tires..
I've seen new lawn tractor and trailer tires made in China that have cracks large enough to stick a nickel in after a year or two of sun exposure..seems they aren't much good at making rubber...
If you're betting your life's safety on "most of the time," I don't think I want to ride in your vehicle. "Mostly" isn't good enough, and even if you do get 5 whole seconds' of warning time, you often can't have the vehicle stopped in that amount of time.
