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What diesels...

joez said:
Unless you are planning on more than 3-4K in the bed or hauling multiple rigs, then yes, i do, even on older trucks. Heres a buddy of mines setup, hauls two rigs regularly on a VERY heavy trailer and with SRW ford. He runs the highest rated tires he can, and is airbagged. Tows it every weekend, either with rigs on it or farm equipment. Grosses 22K pounds total.
Joe, How long is that trailer? I guess if he can tow that much, then I won't NEED DRW. I think I will be find with SRW then. How much are airbags? I remmeber my dad talking about them one summer... he said he wanted them to support all the firewood (sometimes we got it loaded so much, the rear was almost dragging on the road when we came out) so he said that would help. basically, all they do is support all the weight instead of the springs right?
bigtruxx, yikes! I didn't think a turbo would be that much for the 6.2! expensive...
 
Steve, I will take a shot at answering a few things for you.

You probably saw a newer Superduty ford in town that had a Powerstroke 7.3 diesel. That is at least 98 or newer.

For the 6.9 ford.....yes there was a manual option. As for turboing a 6.2, you could also turbo the 6.9 just as easily and the 6.9 will once again make more power than the 6.2.

A diesel is perfect for plowing, lots of vehicle weight on the tires to push more snow. I mentioned earlier that you would probably never have a problem with the front TTBd44 setup, you might with a non snow plow truck after adding the plow. Up there it might be fairly easy to come up with one that had the plow package, which should include a TTBD50 setup that is slightly stronger. The F350's might even have a solid D60 but I am definantly not positive on that with the older Fords, the mid 90's were like that though(3/4t TTB/ 1 ton solid 60).

As for the 1st gen cummins dodges....the early models came with a weak Getrag 5 spd IIRC and was notorious for failing behind the CTD. They started installing the venerable NV4500 in late 1992 IIRC. The auto is a torqerflite 3 spd that was supposedly OK but since there is no OD and the cummins redline is at 2,500RPM's with the older models the auto trucks came standard with 3.07 gears. I would avoid the early dodges unless you find a late first gen that has an NV4500, then it would be one solid truck. Oh and as far as the front end strength on the dodge...it's a D60.

As for the price I have no idea on what they go for up there. Here I would say anything you could find for under $4k is going to be high mileage and/or rough. You mention that you would want to keep it for a while....save up some money and get yourself something half way decent that will be fairly reliable for you over an extended time period. I would seriously look into a 1994-95ish dodge cummins, they have basically the best drivetrain out of all three at the time. A 1995 3/4 ton 4x4 dodge cummins with the manual transmission(NV4500) netted you a the P series 6BT (quite possibly the most reliable diesel ever put into a pickup IMHO) tough as nails NV4500 5 spd, np271 t-case(it's a chain driven, aluminum case but it's a monster that is supposedly tougher than a 205) Coil suspension 4 link D60 up front, and a massive D80 out back. Currently i bet I could find the above mentioned 1995 in fair condition for $7-9K. That is getting cheap for a diesel pickup. That would be a much better truck than a say an '85 F250 that would cost say $5K, and last much longer to boot.
 
25' long. Airbag setups usually run $100-$200 USD, and can be installed in a couple hours at a leisurely pace. They supplement the leaf springs, that is all.
 
Steve,

The more I think about it the more I think you would be so better off with just spending another 2 or 3 thousand initially you could have a lot better truck. Even if you get an early ford 6.9 and later deside to turbo it, you would wind up and have just as much money in it as you would in the initial cost of a 94-95ish dodge cummins that already is turbo'd and capable of 250 HP and 500 ft lbs basically just by playing with the pump. A much heavier drivetrain and a nicer truck itself. Plus the dodge would have OD and the Ford does not. The dodge would get considerably better mileage with almost twice the power.
 
bigtruxx, yikes! I didn't think a turbo would be that much for the 6.2! expensive...[/QUOTE]
tell me about it!!! thats what scared me off from that idea. i mean with a banks turbo and turning the pump up, i was told that the 6.2 will make about 400ft lb tq.... and thats what my desktop dyno says my 454 already makes for peak torque.... and that graph has my 350 and 454 peak tq at 2,000 rpm.... so if the 6.2 peaks at 2,000 rpm then i would have more torque at the same rpm with my gassers currently... :dunno:
 
joez said:
25' long. Airbag setups usually run $100-$200 USD, and can be installed in a couple hours at a leisurely pace. They supplement the leaf springs, that is all.
25 feet long eh? That's not so bad... It looked longer but I guess I'm not used to seeing short wheelbased rigs (e.g. hjeeps) Anyways...
Okay awesome... I will hopefully plan to get airbags once I get the truck.

You probably saw a newer Superduty ford in town that had a Powerstroke 7.3 diesel. That is at least 98 or newer.
Nope it wasn't a newer superduty...it had to be 80's because of the body style simular to the furd I have right now.

A diesel is perfect for plowing, lots of vehicle weight on the tires to push more snow. I mentioned earlier that you would probably never have a problem with the front TTBd44 setup, you might with a non snow plow truck after adding the plow. Up there it might be fairly easy to come up with one that had the plow package, which should include a TTBD50 setup that is slightly stronger. The F350's might even have a solid D60 but I am definantly not positive on that with the older Fords, the mid 90's were like that though(3/4t TTB/ 1 ton solid 60).
Okay great... extra cash for that now! IF I find one with a setup. What does the TTB mean? Is a D50 comparable to a D60 in strength?

As for the 1st gen cummins dodges....the early models came with a weak Getrag 5 spd IIRC and was notorious for failing behind the CTD. They started installing the venerable NV4500 in late 1992 IIRC. The auto is a torqerflite 3 spd that was supposedly OK but since there is no OD and the cummins redline is at 2,500RPM's with the older models the auto trucks came standard with 3.07 gears. I would avoid the early dodges unless you find a late first gen that has an NV4500, then it would be one solid truck. Oh and as far as the front end strength on the dodge...it's a D60.
So if I find a dodge, it should have a NV4500 tranny for it to be strong? And avoid the Getrag trannys because they are known for failing? Got it...

As for the price I have no idea on what they go for up there. Here I would say anything you could find for under $4k is going to be high mileage and/or rough. You mention that you would want to keep it for a while....save up some money and get yourself something half way decent that will be fairly reliable for you over an extended time period. I would seriously look into a 1994-95ish dodge cummins, they have basically the best drivetrain out of all three at the time. A 1995 3/4 ton 4x4 dodge cummins with the manual transmission(NV4500) netted you a the P series 6BT (quite possibly the most reliable diesel ever put into a pickup IMHO) tough as nails NV4500 5 spd, np271 t-case(it's a chain driven, aluminum case but it's a monster that is supposedly tougher than a 205) Coil suspension 4 link D60 up front, and a massive D80 out back. Currently i bet I could find the above mentioned 1995 in fair condition for $7-9K. That is getting cheap for a diesel pickup. That would be a much better truck than a say an '85 F250 that would cost say $5K, and last much longer to boot.
Another thing on the newer trucks. I sure wouldn't mind the newer dodge like you mentioned because the great drivetrain and power... but it's also the body I am worried about. I said this truck would be for towing my rig, and hauling stuff. I don't want to worry about denting the body if something hits it in the bed. Thats why I don't really want to get a neweer vehicle of anyt kind... the body will probably end up scratched and dented from moving stuff. I don't know I will think on it.
So around there anything under 4K will be rough? Yikes... up here they will probably be more expensive...with more rust maybe:frown1:

The more I think about it the more I think you would be so better off with just spending another 2 or 3 thousand initially you could have a lot better truck. Even if you get an early ford 6.9 and later deside to turbo it, you would wind up and have just as much money in it as you would in the initial cost of a 94-95ish dodge cummins that already is turbo'd and capable of 250 HP and 500 ft lbs basically just by playing with the pump. A much heavier drivetrain and a nicer truck itself. Plus the dodge would have OD and the Ford does not. The dodge would get considerably better mileage with almost twice the power.
Bobby, I wouldn't mind spending an extra 2-3 grand to get a more reliable truck... but I don't have a steady job, nor am I working right now. So even 1 thousand dollars is gold for me. Did any of the ford 6.9's have turbos? But who knows, I won't be getting this for at least a year when I "finish" the blazer and move onto the Jimmy. Maybe I will have a better job and can afford something better. I don't know, I will see how things roll out.
 
i will never own a non-chevy truck. but thats because i am biased and opinionated. :waytogo: <stands up> hi my name is chris and im a chevaholic. i love the 73-87/91 body style soo much!!!!
 
big_truxx said:
tell me about it!!! thats what scared me off from that idea. i mean with a banks turbo and turning the pump up, i was told that the 6.2 will make about 400ft lb tq.... and thats what my desktop dyno says my 454 already makes for peak torque.... and that graph has my 350 and 454 peak tq at 2,000 rpm.... so if the 6.2 peaks at 2,000 rpm then i would have more torque at the same rpm with my gassers currently... :dunno:
I agree peak numbers are close, rpm is 'close', yet I know the difference between my old 350 and my 6.2...and it's night and day regarding torque.

I suspect that most diesels generate way more torque under 2000 rpm, but have nothing to back that up with.

Example: with 350, 4.56's and 36" TSL's my 350 needed a little throttle and smooth clutch to get going. Added 39.5's and the 6.2, and at idle I can pretty much snap the clutch and it won't stall. The 350 fell on it's face so much easier. I'm guessing the 6.2 makes double the torque at idle.

Also, because the 6.2 is mechanically injected if you try and pull the R's down under idle it'll add fuel. A gas engine is throttled and is a lot more prone to stalling.

As a side bar I find DD2000 to be near useless and certainly inaccurate at the low end of the scale rpm wise. None of their graphs show power levels under 2000 rpm which is important to me. I used to have an engine analyser program that showed theoretical tq and hp from 500 rpm to redline and that was an eye opener. Peak torque is not the whole story, in fact it's misleading. How flat the curve is and where the flat part of the curve starts tells you a lot more.

I'm no diesel expert, these are all real world comparisons between a small block (not stock) and my 6.2.

Rene
 
i hate that dd2k dont show anything below 2000 rpm. but for the price at the time i bought it... i really cant afford a brand new dd that cost over $100 when i had looked into the newer one. :( i just wish there was something that would show gas and diesel and be acurate and show ALL rpms... it might even convice me to pay more than $30 bucks that i did for dd2k... but for now all i have is dd2k and limited knowledge. im building on the knowledge base and will have to stay with dd2k for a long time i am sure.

you have a great point about the mech injection... i never thought of that. i had to use a bit of clutch and throttle on my sweet 81 k5. 6" lift w/ 15x35x15's... gears.. :dunno: didnt own it long enough to find out but am guessin 4.10's. and it had a 4 speed so with using 1st made it no prob to take off.

i just dont see it being worth the $$ to swap to a 6.2 for hauling though if the truck didnt already have one in it when on a budget. dont get me wrong I LOVE diesels. and also like the 6.2. i have never hauled big loads with them, but driven military vehicles with them under the hood. and i didnt like those a lot for the idea of hauling a lot. i also have hauled 6 yards of gravel with a 70's C-65 that had a 350 with 4speed. and a straight rear end at that. i used to out haul another guy i worked with that drove an 80's c-70 and a 366 big block, 5speed trans and a 2 speed rear end. so maybe hauling is also about the driver? :dunno:
 
blueblazer, do you have any pictures you can send me of your K3500? Regarding the turbos for the 6.2, are they aftermarket, or did some of them come with a turbo, and some not? Someone said they were 2500 dollars? is that just the turbo or everything on the engine all together?
I bought the truck with the Banks turbo already installed by the previous owner. Also, I have receipts showing that the engine was replaced with a new crate motor in 93, so it should be a stronger block and heads which is why I am not too worried about the turbo being on it. If it was the original engine it might have grenaded with the added cylinder pressure from the turbo.

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Wow this thread has 74 replies already!!
big truxx, I already saw that link, if it was availible in a year or so, I would get it, but I don't have money or a truck to put it in right now.
By the way, whats your name... just so I don't always call you big truxx..LOL
 
chris. i was beinz lazy about adding it to my signature :grin: it is on my info page though :whistle: :grin: well never know maybe the guy would do a layaway plan? :thinking: kinda how i got my 84 i had an s-10 i was workin on at the time that someone was sposed to buy then backed out after i had contacted guy about my 84... so i was like "heres what happened" and he took 2 payments of $200 in a months time from me and the rest when i got the s-10 sold. its all about luck and a persons willing/want to help others and yer ability to present your case effectively i guess. im REAL glad he helped me out i love my 84 even though i cant drive it for a long time. well i love the 82 also. which someday i will convert to 4x4. ??/th400/205 would be real nice in it. but i know what ya mean about money. i am plannin on buildin the 1st little piece of house/garage this summer/fall and im looking for work myself. things just kinda fall into place when theyre sposed to. :grin:
 
If you look in the tow rig gallery in the picture gallery, you can see what it looked like when I first bought it, then I put a 4" lift on it, then the 19.5s.
 
I got the truck for 5k and sold the plow that was on it for 400, so I guess I paid 4600 for it in the end. Ive got maybe 2k in the lift, tires, and rims.
 
84gmcjimmy said:
Wow this thread has 74 replies already!!
big truxx, I already saw that link, if it was availible in a year or so, I would get it, but I don't have money or a truck to put it in right now.
By the way, whats your name... just so I don't always call you big truxx..LOL
Any time you bring up the 6.2L a pissing match will shortly follow.
 
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