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...and here's the pic that should've been attached above. :-)


Thor,

Yep, that's basically it. I'll get some frame dimensions from AGLSHM (Awesomely Good Looking Speed Hole Mike) to figure out my bumper location and work backwards from there.

Based on some new measurements, I think I can grow the tank about 5" in both directions and even if I don't make the tank deeper, I can hit 32 gallons. With a bit of a deeper taper on the underside I can pick up a couple more gallons on top of that....

Bought some more MDF yesterday, so I will probably be posting photos of my tuition pile in the coming days. :haha:

-G
 
2016.06.021 - UPDATE!!! - WEEKEND OF MANY TANKS!!!!


Boy ain't that the truth? :haha:

I did a lot of scaled-drawings and set up my tablesaw in the side yard to cut another sheet of MDF into new and interesting shapes to see if I could build a single, center-mounted tank capable of reaching my 32 - 35 Gallon target.

Most of my original designs gave me a center tank with about 20 - 25 Gallons, depending on how deep I made it. They also made it tough to get the exhaust routed through the area the way I need it. So the new objective was to keep the tank as "invisible" as possible (when viewed from the side or back).... improve exhaust routing and clearance near the tank, and also grow the capacity by at around 10 gallons over previous efforts.

The most logical answer seemed to be to extend the tank back closer to the rear axle, but create some 45-degree angles so that the exhaust could sneak under the upswept portion of the rear framerail and head to the rear corners of the bedsides. There is a limit to how far back I could go before hitting the mufflers, and the depth was limited by clearance to the pumpkin at full-stuff. However, with a bit of experimentation I got this:

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That trapezoidal area added about 7-1/2 gallons to the 24-1/2 gallons in the front part of the tank. That gives a total depth of 12" . It all seemed awesome, since I basically hit my target instantly... but the problem was that the sideview is not what I want at all.....

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It turns out that the lowest I can go in the rearmost part of the tank is about 10.5" deep (not including skidplate thickness) so the 12" deep and flat-bottomed tank has an ugly corner sticking down..... add a beefy skidplate and small air gap between them, and the overall look is not going to work for me. :thinking:

So I had a few more options: Taper the tank on the bottom by 5.5* to follow the natural taper of the rear bedside design.... or find some extra capacity somewhere else. The hard part is that I'm still working with a bedside that doesn't fit right because the wheelarch is in the wrong place (set up for factory 104" wheelbase instead of my current 107" wheelbase)... and when I lay-out the truck on the bumpstops the fender hits the tire.....A LOT!!!


So I did one of these:

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Which gave me the cutting guides I needed to cut-off the rear half of the bedside and shift it closer to where it will eventually need to go.

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The wheel arch is a total hot-mess right now, with too much gap in the front and a curve that needs a ton of massaging to give it a "stock" appearance so that it doesn't have a big 4" straight section running across the top of it to connect the two sections. Not of that was unexpected, it's just an "I.O.U." that I knew I'd need to write myself so that I could get the bedside into the proper location and see the departure angle and figure out where the rear bumper was going to end up.

I still have not installed my old rear hidden hitch crossmember (the one that incorporates the license plate holder but converts to a D-ring shackle setup). I was hoping that I might be able to find a little more fuel tank room once that crossmember was re-installed. However, based on where the bumper get bolted on.... there really isn't a lot of "extra" room behind the crossmember for me to extend the tank rearward,

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So.... the fine-tuning and head scratching continues. I feel pretty confident that with some more refinements, I can get to my 32 - 35 Gallon target and still keep things tucked up and well-hidden so that the tank doesn't create a huge visual distraction when its finally installed.

NOTE: All photos are taken at "full bump"... which is why it looks so low to the ground in most of these photos. For exhaust / axle clearance checks it was important to do all my experimentation while sitting on the bumpstops. :)


-G
 
Looks good Greg! I say just angle the bottom and call it done, so what if its only 30.5 gallons instead of 32. :thumb:

Remember on the fender, when you droop the opposite side that tire will go higher yet, but at least you don't have to worry about steering tire clearance as well like in the front.
 
Looks good Greg! I say just angle the bottom and call it done, so what if its only 30.5 gallons instead of 32. :thumb:

Remember on the fender, when you droop the opposite side that tire will go higher yet, but at least you don't have to worry about steering tire clearance as well like in the front.


Heath,

Well....if all I do is change the bottom angle (10" on the rear to 12.5" near the axle) I'm at 31.7 Gallons.... That's not bad, but I'd like to see if there is any more "low hanging fruit" that will get me closer to 35 Gallons without costing me a lot of extra complexity. It's funny, the tank is so huge that adding just 1" of extra depth across that 28 x 26" tank floor adds 3 more gallons to the total!!! :yikes:

Wheel arches will be a fun time. I think I will build a massive center-mounted wooden platform to rest the framerails on (maybe 5' x 5' square) that won't interfere with the suspension links....if I make it tall enough I should be able to fully cycle the suspension (bump / droop) in my garage without removing the portals (or chopping out the concrete floor!) and test the clearances at every conceivable combination of bump / articulation and droop. I can then start wireframe modeling a set of very subtle "flared" fenderlips and tack them in place to see how small the wheel openings can be while still providing the necessary clearance......AND maintaining a visually balanced aesthetic between the front and rear fender openings.

:thinking:

-G
 
Are you accounting for space taken up by baffles and space gained by filler hose, etc? Maybe helps and hurts the process at the same time.
 
Are you accounting for space taken up by baffles and space gained by filler hose, etc? Maybe helps and hurts the process at the same time.

At some point, even I am willing to say "close enough"..... :haha:

I will not calculate for the thickness of baffles, or add back capacity for holes drilled in the baffles... And I'm not going to calculate fuel capacity at different ambient temps and fuel densities.

I only have 800 days left. :)


-G
 
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I just can't get over how cool it looks with the body panels hung on! Showed the build to a machinist/fabricator friend of mine and he drooled over it as well.
 
I think you might as well just cut the last foot or 2 off of the frame and widen that section All it's doing is holding up the bumper....

:haha:
 
I think you might as well just cut the last foot or 2 off of the frame and widen that section All it's doing is holding up the bumper....

:haha:

I was willing to expand the tank underneath the framerails (laterally) to gain fuel capacity, but the design as it sits now is only 2" deep in those areas..... So going into those areas is almost useless.

-G
 
Any concern with the added weight in regards to the rear strut weight limitations? Looks like it will be all behind their center point which will add leverage to the figure.
 
Any concern with the added weight in regards to the rear strut weight limitations? Looks like it will be all behind their center point which will add leverage to the figure.

I'm not super concerned about it.

ORI sells a few different reservoir" add-on options that increase the capacity of the struts. There are quite a few of those tube-farm / Rock bouncer trucks using ORIs successfully, and those things are even heavier than my truck will ever be. :)

The factory tank was 20 gallons, and now I'm at 30... In the grande scheme of things I've only added ~ 60Lbs with the extra fuel capacity.


-G
 
To James point, the picture with the new wheels and the rear bumper and the passenger side body panels is pretty sweet looking, how did that make you feel looking at for the first time?
 
I just can't get over how cool it looks with the body panels hung on! Showed the build to a machinist/fabricator friend of mine and he drooled over it as well.


:waytogo:


To James point, the picture with the new wheels and the rear bumper and the passenger side body panels is pretty sweet looking, how did that make you feel looking at for the first time?


I'm not gonna lie.....it felt AWESOME!!! :saweet:

Now the only thing that bothers me are the wheel arches because they are so odd-looking. I want to get onto that part of the project SOON and get them resolved so that the "look" is even more accurate to what's been in my head for the last 10 years or so.

I messed around with the fuel tank again last night. Mostly clean work....just taking measurements, sketching stuff out and doing a lot of dividing big numbers by "231" (converting cubic inches to gallons) :haha:

The ugly "peek-a-boo" tank (from the side profile) is gone now and I've got the tank following the same angle (5.5*) as the lower bedside angle. I still have around 1/2" of room underneath to add a dimpled, speedholed skidplate that will only be visible from underneath.....or VERY far back behind the truck. The downside is that the process of sloping the tank cost me some capacity. I'm currently at 29.75 gallons..... so I missed my minimum target by a couple of gallons. However, the priorities of a clean side-profile and adequate clearance for the side corner exiting exhausts were ultimately more important to me. So concessions had to be made. :deal:

Next step will be one final MDF rendering of the complete tank design just to confirm that it clears everywhere. I'm only leaving 1/2" of space between the framerails and the tank for "wiggle room" and at full-stuff there is less than 1" of clearance between the back of the tank and the axle housing. I'm hoping that with a fully boxed frame and all my cage tie-ins, there won't be much flex back there and my clearances will be adequate??? :dunno:

I also need to come up with a mounting scheme to physically hold this tank up against the underside of the frame. Either a factory-style set of straps, or possibly some kind of long J-bolts on the sides? I'll have to study some online images and see how they do it with RACECAR. :haha:


After that is figured out, I want to build that 36" - 40" tall structure underneath the center part of the frame so that the entire truck is suspended in mid-air (SAFELY!) and both the front and rear suspensions are completely "drooped out"..... that's when I can start doing my final set of articulation tests in all positions, and most importantly it will allow me to start adding material back to the fenders and figuring out the combination of flaring and widening of the arches themselves that gives the tire clearance I need with the smallest possible openings (because....."STOCK"). :waytogo:

Getting the fenders figured out is going to be a HUGE visual change. And I think once those are done, I'm going to be really inspired to move things along as quickly as possible so that I can hear it run!!!!!



-G
 
Greg,

Take this for what it's worth (not much), but my guess is that you want to cut the rear wheel flares off entirely and create new ones based on the new tire size and position. If you remove the "flare", the profile of the k5 quarter panel is close to a single plane bend from top to bottom. Depending on how skilled or insane you are (there's evidence for both in this thread :bow:) you could graft in a newly shaped flare without messing around with extending the current one or pie-slicing it up. The toughest part would be recreating the seamed lip around the very edge. A bead roller might be a decent way to do that.
 
Your clearances well be fine. I have done less. And it's worked.

I prefer the factory method straps under the tank. Easy and effective.
 
Greg,

Take this for what it's worth (not much), but my guess is that you want to cut the rear wheel flares off entirely and create new ones based on the new tire size and position. If you remove the "flare", the profile of the k5 quarter panel is close to a single plane bend from top to bottom. Depending on how skilled or insane you are (there's evidence for both in this thread :bow:) you could graft in a newly shaped flare without messing around with extending the current one or pie-slicing it up. The toughest part would be recreating the seamed lip around the very edge. A bead roller might be a decent way to do that.


Brian,

I've thought about that idea as well... (clean sheet flares). it's tempting. Maybe I can come up with a shape I like using my old "pizza slice" method, then transfer that arch shape to a fresh sheet of metal and try to do some shrinking / stretching to make it work. I watched those Covell Videos about building wooden bucks for metalforming... they look awesome, but ultimately without a large English Wheel and dies I really can't replicate the shapes I'll need.

:thinking:


-G
 
I think that picture with body panels looks awesome too!
At the same time, you don't need fenders to hear it run! You don't even need fenders for :burnout::grin: :saweet:

Seriously though, it might be easier to make it run in the truck with no body panels to get in the way. Then you can test out your fuel system and cooling system and exhaust, wiring, etc
 
Brian,

I've thought about that idea as well... (clean sheet flares). it's tempting. Maybe I can come up with a shape I like using my old "pizza slice" method, then transfer that arch shape to a fresh sheet of metal and try to do some shrinking / stretching to make it work. I watched those Covell Videos about building wooden bucks for metalforming... they look awesome, but ultimately without a large English Wheel and dies I really can't replicate the shapes I'll need.

:thinking:


-G

It's tempting to think you'de need an English wheel, but take a look at the individual portions of the wheel arch. Don't think of forming it all out of a single piece. if broken up into parts, it can be made from single plane bends except the somewhat small compound blend between the main "body" of the quarter panel and the vertical part of the arc that goes around the tire. That thin blend wouldn't be difficult on a wooden buck and a few rubber mallets. I'm. It not saying you would be able to get away with zero filler, but I bet you could get it really close. At least as close as your get with the pizza slice.

Maybe take a look and make some templates of the portions with some thin flexible plywood. I think you'll see what I mean.
 
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