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'89 R3500 Crew Cab 2wd to 4wd conversion & beyond

Started out with 2wd TBI350 with SM465 to current 4wd with 454, 700r4, NP241
I am sorry but I have to disagree.
The skinny pedal isn't the right answer.
HP doesn't move the truck, torque does, you need big torquey engine and let it work at idle.
The only place you are correct is in straight line racing on sand or mud.
If you ask me staying off the skinny pedal is not a correct option....:biggrin:
 
If you ask me staying off the skinny pedal is not a correct option....:biggrin:

I am sorry but I have to disagree.
The skinny pedal isn't the right answer.
I don't know where to start Issaam? ;)

You say you disagree and then you agree the skinny pedal isn't correct? :thinking:

HP doesn't move the truck, torque does, you need big torquey engine and let it work at idle.

The skinny pedal makes HP and TQ, so I don't understand what you are trying to say....

Also, the ole' HP vs TQ debate has been going on for decades. Yes the TQ is what puts a force to the ground from the wheels, and is in the equation for acceleration, F=MA, or A=F/M. However, most people forget HP isn't measured, it's calculated, from TQ. And it involves RPM. HP essentially delivers the TQ faster, and in more combustion pulses/second for a given engine. This is the reality you will see in races, HP usually wins the time, TQ usually moves the heavy trailer.

So yes, you need TQ and gearing to move a lot of weight without bogging down. However, when it comes to acceleration, putting the TQ down faster (HP) accelerates faster in not just sand or mud, but also pretty much any other surface you time acceleration on. Sand, mud, dirt, asphalt, grass, concrete, etc.

Also, Scott said...

At the time this happened I was pulling the 7000lb Savalanche thru deep snow. I had the throttle nearly pinned running 2nd gear, both lockers engaged, and in double low.

This spring didn't bend at idle.

The only place you are correct is in straight line racing on sand or mud.

The "only place" is definitely not correct, it's correct in a lot more situations than those two. Most types of acceleration, on most surfaces, straight, curved, smooth, bumpy, etc. I prefer torque in a tow vehicle, I'll choose HP in most other vehicles.
 
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I think part of what makes snow runs hard on the truck is the need for lots of skinny pedal.
 
I'm trying to utilize an empty void in my bed for storing fluids.

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What I'm trying to decide is how to handle drainage. It's likely not going to be completely weathertight so do I make the bottom with expanded metal? But then mud and any other junk will get thrown up in the box.

Do I drill a couple of drain holes in the bottom? Would that lead to junk getting thrown into the storage box too?

I'm probably overthinking this.
 
This is the area I'm trying to utilize.

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I could put about 8qts of the various Amsoil fluids I use in that area.
 
I don't know where to start Issaam? ;)

You say you disagree and then you agree the skinny pedal isn't correct? :thinking:



The skinny pedal makes HP and TQ, so I don't understand what you are trying to say....

Also, the ole' HP vs TQ debate has been going on for decades. Yes the TQ is what puts a force to the ground from the wheels, and is in the equation for acceleration, F=MA, or A=F/M. However, most people forget HP isn't measured, it's calculated, from TQ. And it involves RPM. HP essentially delivers the TQ faster, and in more combustion pulses/second for a given engine. This is the reality you will see in races, HP usually wins the time, TQ usually moves the heavy trailer.

So yes, you need TQ and gearing to move a lot of weight without bogging down. However, when it comes to acceleration, putting the TQ down faster (HP) accelerates faster in not just sand or mud, but also pretty much any other surface you time acceleration on. Sand, mud, dirt, asphalt, grass, concrete, etc.

Also, Scott said...



This spring didn't bend at idle.



The "only place" is definitely not correct, it's correct in a lot more situations than those two. Most types of acceleration, on most surfaces, straight, curved, smooth, bumpy, etc. I prefer torque in a tow vehicle, I'll choose HP in most other vehicles.
Well I knew that was coming.
While we do see things very similar and we understand the physics correctly, I usually prefer using the least amount of skinny as possible to accomplish the task, and usually where there is risk of failure I tend to go easy and try and get through literally on idle.
I ran my k5 turbo diesel manual with 35" tires locked fron and rear on 1/2ton axles for 6 years and never broke anything, going through rocks, mud, sand and snow.
Once I was moving on even terrain, yes I would go full throttle, but if I was tackling an obstacle or starting in a slippery medium I got moving then applied the skinny.
It's mostly because I don't like to spend too much time and money fixing my shit over and over again.
Obviously to each their own as is evident on this nationwide site.
 
Well I knew that was coming.
While we do see things very similar and we understand the physics correctly, I usually prefer using the least amount of skinny as possible to accomplish the task, and usually where there is risk of failure I tend to go easy and try and get through literally on idle.
I ran my k5 turbo diesel manual with 35" tires locked fron and rear on 1/2ton axles for 6 years and never broke anything, going through rocks, mud, sand and snow.
Once I was moving on even terrain, yes I would go full throttle, but if I was tackling an obstacle or starting in a slippery medium I got moving then applied the skinny.
It's mostly because I don't like to spend too much time and money fixing my shit over and over again.
Obviously to each their own as is evident on this nationwide site.
Ahh, I understand, we agree on the theory, just disagree on the driving style...;)

I love tromping on it, I like to go fast! That works very well for offroad in sand, dirt, snow, etc. Probably not so much in rock crawling though.

I almost didn't send it but I knew we would be fine either way. :waytogo:
 
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