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Ryoken's Guide to Rust Treatment and Bodywork 101

I'm eager to sand the inside of the bed and get that whole thing primered...although at this point I don't know how I can paint with the compressor....and it would probably take a crapload of rattlecans to prime the whole inside...
Maybe if I get it sanded before the weather gets cooler someone suggested running a hose from an A/C duct in my house to the inlet of the compressor...that's the one thing I haven't tried...

by the way...do you follow the same steps for paint prep on the bed inside? You wetsand it also?

I'm sorta wondering how you do an area that big because you literally will have to climb in and be on top of it...how do you keep from messing up what you have already done?
 
it's always kinda funny for me, you ask me questions, then it dawns on me how much stupid minutia i know about this when i gotta type it... :doah: :haha:

some general guidlines for you here.... you don't have to wetsand EVERYTHING your going to paint... exterior of the truck, hood, etc sure.... bed you dont necessarilly have to...

the object of paint prep is to remove all orangepeel and imperfections, thus NO SHINE anywhere... exterior? your achieving this by blocking everything out to ensure it looks perfect.. doorjambs, bed and such? you dont have to... but you can if your feeling anal...

if it's relatively orange peel free, you can just hit it real good with a scuffpad.. or a combo, runa sander or handsand it initially to knock the majority down, then scuff it...

for something like a bed, the most nonobtrusive way is to leave the center section for last.... you can work from there on the outer stuff, then do the middle last working out of the bed.... you can protect it while working with say, a moving blanket, and even something to sit on if you want on the blanket.. i live by 5 gal buckets... but really you only need to worry about that kinda thing post primer...
 
Tomorrow I get the Porter Cable...and a maxed out credit card...

Quint's CK5 Indianapolis speech:

"Japanese slammed two Toyotas into our side Chief....Blazer went down in 12 seconds...first light, insurance agents come cruisin'...don't know how much damage...I know it was a Hell of a noise...I went starboard and bumped into a friend of mine...Herby Robinson from Cleveland...bosom's mate...anyway...you know that's the time when I was most scared?....lookin' around I could see in the wheel well...funny thing about brake rotors Chief...they don't seem to be livin'...till they cut you..and those rotors roll over and then...aghh...they shred you to pieces...I'll never change another brake caliper again".....:popcorn:
 
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the Porter Cables have always been very good, and rival air DA's often.. hopefully the newer models are just as quality... one real nice aspect, they are much quieter...

if you'd like to discuss DA papers and grits, etc, holla...
 
if you'd like to discuss DA papers and grits, etc, holla...

OK...here's a real novice question that popped up in my head as I was working on my door panels today...by the way, I love the red 3M scuff pads...they worked great on my vinyl stuff and made the SEM Color Coat lay right down and stick....
Soooooooooo....I gots ta thankin'....I took one of them red scuff pads and scuffed about a square foot area on the door and also on the white stripe....and what I am left with appears to be a pretty well prepared surface and it didn't take all that long to do it....
There must be a reason people use sanders...

So, with a 6" DA...what grits do I need, and also is there an advantage to buying the more expensive 3M papers?

Also, are there any do's and don't with a DA?
 
the red scuff pads are equivalent to about a 400 grit.. thats not really enough bite for primer... it works on zinc chromate, but old paint ya want more if ya can, especially on exterior surfaces..... generally you want a 180 to 220 cut on paint for primer.. raw steel, i'll 80, zinc, scuff, fill prime... like i said, if door jambs and such are relatively peel-free, you can use it on jamb stuff, etc...

after primer, paint prep, like i said, you can do a light, flatpad, slow speed, initial cut with a DA to do your bulk initial cutting, than block it out... once the panels are perfect, it's always nice to give EVERYTHING a nice thorough scuffpadding prior to blowing off, panelwashing, masking, yada...

400 is a good grit for base... sometimes i'll 320 that DA cut and blocking for speed, then run over it with the 400 scuffpad.. i'm a little leary about giving you lots of stepsavers being a noob.. the safer approach for me to advise, is to just tell you to wetsand all your primer with 400.. then maybe a nice light, thorough scuffing.. it's safer...

if your not careful with the DA, you'll end up cutting thru the primer here and there, which is what you dont want... which brings up don'ts...

when DA-ing.. always start with the pad flat.. this ensures your using the paper up thoroughly.. the sander will wreck the paper at the edge very easily, load it up, plus it cuts different..

lets say your stripping paint with 60 or 80 to bare steel.. flatpad it till the center isn't cutting as well, then finish off the paper by tipping the DA slightly so it's riding on the outer inch or so of the pad to finish off the paper.. you'll notice it cuts WAY more aggressively when on an angle... this is fine when stripping, having raw steel as your backup.. doesn't really matter... you can't hurt it and your goal is speed... but if you just run on the edge, you'll go thru a lot of paper, thus starting flatpad..

also that aggressive "edge" sanding is dangerous when sanding primers or surfaces your concerned about how deep it cuts.. i've seen guys ruin boat bottoms doing that... you can do it on primer and such, but with a LIGHT touch...


i could go on all night here..... i know more stupid sh*t about sanding than anyone i've EVER met.. there are tons and tons of little tricks, stepsavers, techniques, don'ts, etc..

i would generally say, just plan on DA-ing your old paint... handsand everything after primer, for a new guy it's by far the safer route.. as to paper... for stripping, heavy cutting of old finishs i generally run in the 50 to 80 range, depending on whether I'm stripping, or just getting a cut for primer.... if i'm cutting for primer, it'll usually be a light, take the shine off cut with 80, than buzz over it with some 150 to 180 for the primer..

for stripping i'll usually rip just about all paint off with 50 or 60, then a thorough 80 of all the steel in prep for some zinc, etc...

i would avoid anything nastier than 50.. i do use 36 and such on occassion for things but i wont get into that...

if you insist on trying it on the primer, get some 320 or 400..


brands... eh.... there's a lot to that too.. there are lots of choices.. the various 3M's are the best.. the different gold series papers from them can't be beat.. the white and purple imperial series from them is ok, but i don't think the "economy" savings you save over the gold is worth it.. it's almost the same money and i think the gold blows it away....

there are lots of brands out now.. lately i've been buying lots of mirka and rhynalox papers.. tend to be a bit cheaper.. ask your paint supply guy... Norton is always good stuff too... i also buy DA paper on ebay on occasion... some of the off brand/knock-offs do ok, not 3M but get ya by...
 
Well, I got the Porter Cable DA...went by and got some 3M gold disks in 80, 180 and 320...and...
it's been raining all day and will be tomorrow...when the rain stops Monday morning, back up to 100....
I can't win for losing...:doah:
 
I know it's messy, but would you better sanding in the garage? not necessarily have AC, but shady, get some box fans going maybe...
 
I know it's messy, but would you better sanding in the garage? not necessarily have AC, but shady, get some box fans going maybe...

I haven't made the decision yet to totally dedicate my garage to the Blazer...I'm a bit OCD about clean...and I'm usually fine as long as I can clean up after I get through...I am not sure how it would be having an inch of dust on everything in the garage...
I am going to have to stop parking my other truck in the garage when I take the hood and doors off the Blazer because there won't be room in there...the garage is a good thing...my 1999 Ranger looks almost new because of parking in there...
I made need therapy:eek1:
 
I may have to try that....I just keep thinking about how nasty sandblasting is and so is sanding...that stuff gets into everything...but if I wait on the weather I may never get going...

If I had already ordered the body mount kit I could have done that....but that's another $200
 
sanding dust ain't nothing like sandblasting..... it's light and talky.. biggest thing is giving it as little nooks and crannies to get into and keep the air moving towards the garage door.. draping plastic or sheets over shelves, etc helps ... start with the shop clean and uncluttered...... just get a couple cheap box fans at wallyworld for like 15 bucks... then when done, just do a couple blowouts of the garage with a blowgun and the fans running.. do it, let it settle, hit it again.. usually gets the majority out...
 
Gettin' some work done today...how do I deal with rust in the "air vent slots" in the hood?

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I'd think the sandblaster is going to be your friend for that area, some ryoken green etc etc...

It's either that or bust the spot welds holding the inner hood section to the outer, pull it apart and get after it manually, then re-spot weld it back together. Seems like a ton of work that way, and I'd have concerns about the hood being straight after.

Rene
 
blaster baby..... nice moving blanket btw, 2 thumbs up.....
 
Blast it all...it worked good...I didn't realize I had ruined the mover's blanket till I was done :doah:

I also blasted a rash on my leg....the new compressor really makes quick work of it when the pressure is up at 130psi...
I cut up my garden hose and put one end on the compressor air intake and the other end in my house...it works pretty good.

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nicely done skipper... get some primer on it asap if it's that humid down there...
 
It's good when stuff works :waytogo:

Ryoken, what do I do for the hood now...appears to have only one coat of paint and primer on the outside...inside is mostly black...this may be a replacement hood...but don't see any Taiwan stickers like I did on that fender.

How would you sand and prep the hood? got two little pea sized dents on the front edge where gravel probably hit it...

Do you always do the underside first?
 

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