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The restoration/modification of Daisy.

Horton's trans bypasses the radiator.

Not sure what can really be extrapolated from that. I don't have a trans temp gauge, but no weird transmission stuff ever even in the dead of winter.

The transmission sure as heck doesn't stay cold
 
You may have some issues keeping it cool on those 100+ degree summer days. On the flip side it will take longer for the trans to warm up on those cold days. I've been doing some research on this subject the last few weeks and I've decided to see how it does mounted in the bed with the radiator bypassed.
 
I've been running the same 700r4 for 8 years or so without the radiator cooler, just a big stack plate cooler with electric fan in front of the radiator.
 
Has anyone ditched the cooler in the radiator altogether and just ran a big external cooler?
Yes. I ran my 700R4s that way, and though they didn't last, it was not for a lack of cooking capacity.

I have since reintegrated the cooler in the radiator end cap into the overal transmission fluid circuit. Hot ATF runs to the external cooler up front, and then back through the passenger end tank in the radiator. My observation over the last three years has been that the transmission comes up to temp faster, rises more slowly under load, and is ultimately very stable at the 180F range. It's unlikely that it gives much of a cooling supplement to the engine when the ATF is running cooler (TC lockup), but overall I like that my fluids run more in line with one another and appear to be more stable. With my new radiator, I'll circuit in the engine oil to the hot side return in a similar fashion as the trans (external cooler first), planning for a similar result.

I doubt you would run any significant risk running only an external cooler, especially in the name of improved airflow over the AC and radiator - keep the navigator happy. Plus, with an electric fan, you won't lack for airflow over the cooler. Worthy experiment.

David
 
It runs in the radiator to bring it up to temp also. If your truck is running 180 or so the trans is happy. Mine runs in the radiator and to a plate in front of the radiator and I have a temp gauge and it rarely sees 220. Cools down fine if it gets hotter once I am moving or the electric fan comes on.

I would be against running under the truck.
 
Either way the external is getting moved, I need more air through the grille. Running the AC on the highway in the summer has my coolant temp up to 220-230 pulling hills. The cooler is getting moved, radiator replaced and maybe some bigger fans. I guess if I stepped up to better hose/fittings for the cooler lines I wouldn't mind running that much of it back and forth.
 
Do you have oil and trans coolers in front of the radiator? That was the cause of my high temps. I deleted the oil cooler, and all was well.

But I had already stepped up to a large alum rad
 
Do you have oil and trans coolers in front of the radiator? That was the cause of my high temps. I deleted the oil cooler, and all was well.

But I had already stepped up to a large alum rad

Yeah my engine oil cooler, power steering cooler and trans cooler are all in front of the radiator. It needs to change.

did some searching on your thread. Radiator is to thin and fans are too small IMO.

Yep, the radiator is getting replaced asap and I need to fine a bigger fan. (Go ahead and start telling me to use windstar fans) it was all fine and dandy until I got the A/C running.
 
I run mine pretty hard towing (WOT for 20-30 min if needed), and i've had zero problems since i cleared the radiator path. Id do the upgraded radiator, move a cooler or 2, and then decide if you need to change fans. I like the simplicity of the stock electric fan.
 
Well, it looks like you've identified the problem. You'd better go break that air conditioner. :deal:

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Did his rig come with an electric fan? :confused:
Haha! No way man, without a/c, the suburban gets parked for 4 months a year. no it didn't, but it's got two 14" fans now that total 3000cfm. I'd like to get up to 5000cfm.


I run mine pretty hard towing (WOT for 20-30 min if needed), and i've had zero problems since i cleared the radiator path. Id do the upgraded radiator, move a cooler or 2, and then decide if you need to change fans. I like the simplicity of the stock electric fan.

That's the plan, open up the grille a little, bigger radiator and see how it goes. I've never towed with it either, I plan on doing some of that this year as well.
 
I meant stock mechincal fan. oops.
Agreed. A big fan and good working fan clutch pulls a ton of air. I've always read that high pitch diesel blades gather something like 10,000 CFM at 3k engine RPM.

David
 
Windstars do 4400 or so. At idle, engine wont have to work to get the RPM to get a stock fan to draw that much. Just saying mine does great never had an issue except when I forgot to turn them on and I fixed that.
 
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Ok, so it is not an exact comparison (SBC 350 vs LS), but similar enough (size, weight and aero dynamics) to get me to chime in on the subject. When I built the cool pack on Lance's Suburban I put an 11x11x1.5" thick Long plate trans cooler in front of the condenser (as well as a power steering heat exchanger). As per his request, it does not run through the radiator at all. I did install a fluid thermostat before the core because I did not want it running too cold when we travel in winter months. I also installed a trans temp gauge (if you don't have one, you NEED one--extremely important where you/we run). With this setup, he has yet to get the trans hot except on a trail running in high range and lugging the motor instead of low range and spinning the motor in its power band. Threw it in low range and trans temp dropped to normal range instantly. Other than that, no issues whatsoever.

The radiator he bought was a real POS. It was a new copper/brass, but a low efficiency core. You could drive a Mack truck between the fins and not even have to pull the mirrors in. I put two 12" Spal fans on a shroud that covered the entire core area. Even with the completely crappy core, it rarely ever got up to 220*. I have since removed that radiator setup and installed a monster aluminum radiator with two rows of 1.25" tubes, It has two un-named 18" fans on it and so far it seems to do very well, but as you well know, it's still cold out. 90* during the day will not test a cooling system here, but it sits on the stat all day long. If I was going to re-radiator a truck like yours I'd look at an industry number 730 radiator. It is the big four row radiator that came in trucks from 73+. The current replacements are two 1" row aluminum core and plastic tanks. This is the same radiator I run in my truck, but it's a drop in for your truck. The bushings are available in OER under part number 6264100. Huge aluminum radiator for about the least money you can spend and, if you buy it from your local radiator shop, you'll probably get a lifetime warranty on it too. This also gives you a huge surface area to put some big ass fans on. Having run a few different brands over the years, I only run Spal anymore. They cost a bit more, but they seem to last longer than any others I have used.

As far as the stack-up in your cool pack; without seeing it, I would offer my opinion to leave the trans cooler in the forced airflow in front of the condenser in front of the primary electric fan. I would also leave the power steering cooler up there as it doesn't take too much to keep the ps fluid cool. If I was relocating any heat exchanger it would be the engine oil unit. The reason I am wanting to relocate that is because on anything other than higher speed highway, an engine oil cooler really doesn't do much. I am basing this on research done on a vehicle with an oil temp gauge and vigilant monitoring of it. You could even mount it right under the core support with a fan or even a simple air scoop on it and be fine. I like as much simple as possible.

Also, keep in mind, when you actually drive your vehicle on roads at speed, your cool pack absorbs bug guts like a sponge and needs to be cleaned out any time you have the opportunity. I had my radiator out last week and was showing my boy how to clean the fins and we were both amazed at how much crap we got out of the core area. Absolutely amazing. I even soaked the condenser and CAC with simple green and washed it out from the engine side forward. Got a bunch of junk out of those as well. I installed a stainless screen behind the grille for bug abatement, but most of these were smaller than the openings in the wire cloth I used. Not saying your problem is related to this, just a reminder to make as big of a mess cleaning stuff out as possible when you have it apart.

Good luck. You have my number, feel free to use it.
 
If I was going to re-radiator a truck like yours I'd look at an industry number 730 radiator. It is the big four row radiator that came in trucks from 73+. The current replacements are two 1" row aluminum core and plastic tanks. This is the same radiator I run in my truck, but it's a drop in for your truck.
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I'm a bit confused. Are you running the 4 core or the 2 row replacement?
 
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