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'91 K5 Four Wheel Camper

This is the build for my 1991 V1500 Blazer, AKA the K5.3. It started out life being sold to the U.S. Government with a 350 TBI/700r4/241 combo. 4 years with a 5.3/700r4 Combo and now moving to an 8.1L Vortec and NV4500 5-speed.
On the '17 desert trip we kinda took a similar route to Moab from Montrose but it ran more south and dropped us into 191 south of the hole n the rock tourist trap. Comparing thr two runs they were very similar in view, but we hit pavement at the state line. It ended up being much faster. We left Montrose at lunch and we're in Moab before 6:00 pm. Plus we stopped to check out hole n the rock for 30-45 minutes.

It would give you the flavor without all the indirect trail time diving in and out of side canyons and such.

We pounded pavement through that area a few times, and really enjoyed it. Ouray, Silverton, Delta, Grand Junction, Escalante, Naturita, Paradox, Gateway.

I sure wish I could remember the exact routes. We probably overlapped with some of the offroad trails you ran, back in the BigRedTruck days. But I just don't remember those details anymore. :1zhelp:

We definitely need to get back out there again. :thinking:
 
Good lord, I'm only asking about doing the trail in a day because I don't know anything about it. I'm not trying to baja race or be part of the get it done quick society or whatever the hell else my question evoked.

Out of respect for Rob's thread, I will refrain from further harassing comments.

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I was trying to give @mrk5 some grief so that I might be able to keep up with him! He keeps picking on this old man, and I gotta try to keep up! Durn whippersnappers!!
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Hey Rob, what do you think that it would be like to run down Hwy 141 and skip the section from Montrose to 141? I was thinking that maybe it would be a nice change to run from Uravan/Paradox area to Moab on his way. I have talked to a few guys that like to go camp out at Buckeye, so it may be hard to just drive past it. :dunno:
The other option is running up over John Brown from Gateway to Hwy 191 in Utah. (I haven't done either way, so no experience) :doah:

Skipping the section from Montrose to 141 would save some time and it would be a more direct route from where you would be coming from out of Junction. There are tons of side roads we could see on the map and on the ground so one could still have some adventure going that way. From 141 to Moab on the Rimrocker trail most certainly could be one in one day. Even on pavement the Dolores river canyon on 141 from Gateway down is pretty country to drive through.

I've been to Gateway to check out the car museum (must do for any car guy/gal BTW) and found out you could get over to Moab that way I thought it would be a different way to do it. I've not researched it in depth though. The desert trip crew has been talking about heading back to Utah for the next trip and that might be another way to do it, so I guess I should check it out some!
 
Skipping the section from Montrose to 141 would save some time and it would be a more direct route from where you would be coming from out of Junction. There are tons of side roads we could see on the map and on the ground so one could still have some adventure going that way. From 141 to Moab on the Rimrocker trail most certainly could be one in one day. Even on pavement the Dolores river canyon on 141 from Gateway down is pretty country to drive through.

I've been to Gateway to check out the car museum (must do for any car guy/gal BTW) and found out you could get over to Moab that way I thought it would be a different way to do it. I've not researched it in depth though. The desert trip crew has been talking about heading back to Utah for the next trip and that might be another way to do it, so I guess I should check it out some!
You need some chromoly shafts. Or figure why that axle is grumpy
 
You need some chromoly shafts. Or figure why that axle is grumpy
Chromoly's probably. Axle isn't unhappy, but 40+ year old shafts might be work hardened a smidge and not like all the torques I'm sending down the line.
 
Ok, back to the program. Where were we? Oh yeah Friday at Blazer Bash. Ron and I chose to take on Hell's Revenge based on input from others. I left the some of the stuff at camp to minimize the turmoil of gear getting tossed around in the back while on trail. Very glad I did. Meet up at the Park was fun and it's really cool to see other peoples trucks that you've only seen pictures of on the interwebs.

The two groups broke up and took off for the respective trails.
Collecting up at the trailhead.
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The trail gets going pretty quickly and had us stunned at what we were getting into. Being noobs to the Bash and having somewhat top-heavy center of gravity Wade took great care leading to let me and Ron know what lines to take when the stuff got interesting. I know we appreciated the effort made to keep us out of trouble and the group moving at a decent pace. Also since we were noobs we really weren't sure if Robbie could hop out and take pics of our truck on different sections so we didn't get a lot of our own pics through this trail. But it was just as fun to see other's rigs go through the fun stuff.

On this section, Wade had us take the easier line to the right which was much less of a verticle climb.
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Ron's taking the line here.
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Still the surroundings are out of this world. Robbie and I felt like we were wheeling inside a Coyote and Road Runner cartoon all day. We didn't find any empty ACME crates around though.
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Wade leading us up the next section. Never having seen that truck in action I was surprised how well the go fast setup did on rocks.
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We watched Dean @onetonbb74 attempt the section with his twin stick having the front output in neutral. Bonus for us, he showed us the line we probably shouldn't take!
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Ron's truck was moving right along despite the lack of low range. Mark did dub him the "tricycle" by the end of the day though. He had a habit of hanging a tire from time to time..
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Random shots from the trail.
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Kurt's "I identify as a squarebody" toyota cracked us up. That little tractor idled up everything with zero drama. So cool to watch.
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David's Burb is no slouch on the rocks either. Really fun to watch it work too. All the trucks were for that matter.
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K30, pre-flop.
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We got up to the overlook and Robbie hopped out to get a shot of the river below.
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Rigs going up/down the overlook.
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Since we didn’t end up getting may photos of my own truck on Hell’s I’m thankful others did take some cool shots of mine getting work done on the rocks. Dean @onetonbb74 from CA in the black K5 with the soft top got a lot of these on Hell’s and shared them with me. Much appreciated seeing my truck from a different perspective. So I’m going to get caught up with a series of his shots before we get to hell’s gate on the trail. Thanks again, Dean!

This is within the first half mile from the start of the trail. Looking back through Dean’s K5.

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Another one from the start.

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I can’t get over the scale of this area. There’s no doubt I’ve got a large truck, but the rocks dwarf it in size.

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So much pucker factor on this trail that the photos don’t give it justice. Wade stopped to spot Ron and I through this spot. I’m part way down in this shot but the drop in was completely obscured by the hood. It’s a complete leap of faith to listen to the spotter and let the foot off the brake. It’s a pucker factor moment for sure.

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At a stopping point.

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Just a couple of Blazer Campers on the rocks, nothing to see here.

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The traction was as reported. Amazing. The way the truck stuck to the rocks boggled the mind as we climbed and descended down without sliding.

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Parked alongside of one of the hot tubs.

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This was the scariest drop we made. Wade had to get in front of us from the hot tub in order to spot us coming down. Just behind where I’m at in this pic had two yellow lines on the rock to point you in the right direction down this hill. You can’t see anything but the horizon from the seat at that point so you don’t know how steep the drop was. To me, it felt like standing on the top of the high dive, but not being able to look down. I just had to follow our spotter and creep down slowly.

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Ron’s truck coming down. Remember he’s got no low range on this spot and he’s sitting taller than mine by 2-3 inches at least.

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Now to get back to the fun on Hell’s gate.
 
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Hell’s gate. What’s there to say? Well, I gave a hard NO on the idea of running it from the beginning. I know everybody in charge didn’t want to deal with either of us going up it and having a problem mid way. So we parked the rigs to enjoy the show of those that took it on. My son Robbie scrambled down to get a different vantage point to take shots from.

@noJeepshere 's Yukon made short work of the climb without drama.

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@Blazooki taking Ned up. From down below you can get an idea of the scale and steepness of the climb.

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@kgblazerfive heading up.
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Pidgeon Rat's extraction from the Gate.

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The ORD K30 with the kid still driving.

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@AgDieseler has some serious flex for a big truck.

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@onetonbb74 's K5 making it easy.

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More showing how to do it:

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Onward to the famous hot tub.
 
Hell’s gate. What’s there to say? Well, I gave a hard NO on the idea of running it from the beginning. I know everybody in charge didn’t want to deal with either of us going up it and having a problem mid way. So we parked the rigs to enjoy the show of those that took it on. My son Robbie scrambled down to get a different vantage point to take shots from.

@noJeepshere 's Yukon made short work of the climb without drama.

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@Blazooki taking Ned up. From down below you can get an idea of the scale and steepness of the climb.

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@kgblazerfive heading up.
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Pidgeon Rat's extraction from the Gate.

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The ORD K30 with the kid still driving.

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@AgDieseler has some serious flex for a big truck.

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@onetonbb74 's K5 making it easy.

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More showing how to do it:

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Onward to the famous hot tub.
Imagine if the same climb was loose dirt and you got the hill climb in Hollister hills off road park.
Many have started slipping and then make the mistake of backing up and they start slipping and tumbling down.
This one at least is safe in this regard.
I need to go on this one next time I am in moab
 
Imagine if the same climb was loose dirt and you got the hill climb in Hollister hills off road park.
Many have started slipping and then make the mistake of backing up and they start slipping and tumbling down.
This one at least is safe in this regard.
I need to go on this one next time I am in moab

I think they might be equally dangerous. Watch some fail videos on hell's gate and you'll see how many do it wrong and end up tumbling down to the bottom. Either hill is going to suck coming down tumbling backwards. But then again Hyundai took a new Telluride up it so who knows!
 
Given all the action that was had by the buggies in the tub we only got pics of Ned in his attempt right before it went over on it’s side backing down into the hole. The batteries in the camera went flat and we missed it. These couple of photos show the insanity what it takes to get out of the tub.

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That wall on the exit is no joke. The ORD K30 flopped in a similar way coming back down from a failed attempt to get out. But man it’s cool to watch.

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There’s plenty of photos of the hot tub action in the BB picture thread. So we’ll move on from there in the report.


We spent enough time at the tub we ate lunch and looked at the crazy surroundings.

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Coming down from the hot tub has this nasty little way down.

From the top without getting out it just seems like you’ll be driving off of a cliff. Our trail leader made sure to get in front of us camper guys (or Crawlabagos as they started calling them) to spot us for the way down. The key point, there are a couple of yellow lines on the ground that you should start out in between. Once the nose drops you can see the trail and a little help from my co-pilot we keep the tires on the black and tip-toe down to the bottom. It’s no joke though. There are deep holes on either side you don’t want to enter.

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Making our way back on the trail we got a pretty good overlook of the town of Moab itself. Pretty cool views in any direction for sure.

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We made our way off the trail and had a couple hours to kill before the BBQ and raffle for Blazer Bash back at the old city park. The ORD crew did an excellent job on the food and it was pretty cool to see all the prizes donated for the raffle by all the sponsors. We got back to camp in the dark and parked the truck for the night. Thankfully I’ve got the order down for a quick get into camp mode. Level the truck, unlatch the roof, pop the top up and get the gear set to sleep. We hang out with the folks for a while before calling it a night. Flat Iron Mesa is the next target and we have an early meetup time to get to.


Flat Iron is a different trail compared to the mounds of sandstone we experienced on Hell’s revenge. There's more vegetation, more dirt and less of the extreme steepness of open climbs and descents. Don’t get me wrong it’s got it’s own fun in store as we discovered but it’s just different in many ways.

Just a sampling of the vistas. We are south of Moab where the trail starts right off of the main 191 highway. It’s so subtle, if you didn’t know where to look you’d miss this gem from the highway.

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One of the participants in front of us taking the climb. The funny thing was I noticed the Georgia plate and struck up a conversation at a stopping point. Turns out they live in Colorado now and actually live a couple of miles from where my parent's place is in Arvada. Small world. Plus the Jimmy they have is powered by a rowdy sounding 6.0L LS engine too. What’s not to love.

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The trail goes up and down constantly and it has little or big sandstone shelves or ledges to climb up or down from. Some are steep, some not so much, but they are all fun to crawl over.

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We found from our run the day before that we had a little time to take pics of our own truck as we went without holding up the group. Robbie was a stud at jumping out, getting the shot and jumping back in as I came by.

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As much as we loved the wheeling side of this trip, the scenery just still blew us away. I love this area for sure.

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As quickly as we would go up, we’d climb back down again.

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I really can’t complain how the truck and camper have a bit a flex to stay on the rocks. Despite the radical change in CG the truck felt pretty darn stable all weekend.

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It was pretty cool seeing these chunky trucks out on the trail.

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Our leader getting his 3-wheel motion going. This was coming up a large rock dome that had a pretty steep initial climb onto it and then slightly off-camber across the face to the top where it leveled off.

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I was given the option to try it or take the bypass. I watched a couple take it on and really thought it felt similar to a few of the climbs we had on hells the day before. I felt I could do it.

Still, I paid close attention to those that would go ahead of me for the line to follow.

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So here I come. You can see I’m pretty much where most had started out. So I thought it was the right line. Nope, not the right line for my ride.

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Uh oh..

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Ok that’s enough. I could feel it was out of shape. I didn’t know how high I hung that wheel but I knew it was off the ground. Thankfully, the other trail boss Mark was heading my way to reposition my rig for a second attempt.

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He had me back down and come in much further to the driver’s side of the truck. He pointed to the tree limb and said, you want this limb to hit your windshield. That’s how much more over you need to go. Following the directions I repositioned and proceeded to walk right up it without any drama.

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Still, not out of the woods yet. I still had to cross the off camber section with the top heavy rig. Mark told me to take it slow and creep across the face. No issues as I crossed it.

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We had to start coming back down again. This was a fun one.

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More down.

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Right back up and out again. I found my departure angle slightly lacking in some of these.

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Ron’s run down this section.

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It’s after this section we ran into an issue. Nothing gnarly or cool to say we broke on. Just a slab on the driver’s side and the passenger side dropped low, the steering went right. The front end felt like it was going to crawl over the short ledge so I gently rolled into the throttle. Then I heard the distinct snap of a front axle shaft/u-joint. It was followed by the complete lack of drive on the front diff. I backed up and took a new line and went right over, but could hear the clank, clank, clank of the u-joint yokes in self clearancing mode.

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There was another ledge to climb up right away and I knew I wasn’t going to clear it. I got help with a winch to pop over it. Thankfully there was a intersection of the trail with a dirt road that would take us back to the highway. We called it a day at that point. There were some others that bailed with us including Ron as the trail got harder from here out. So we got back to the road, aired up and headed back for camp in Moab.

We had leftovers from the fajitas from a couple of nights before in the fridge so for lunch since we were back early I figured we could have fajita quesodillas. Gotta love having a fridge for leftovers.

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It was a great idea as they came out awesome.

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We hung out downloading the SD cards to the laptop and staying cool and hydrated until the others got back from the trail. Later we fixed up our final camp dinner for the trip. Ribeyes seared in the cast iron skillet and some baked beans. My son loved it, as did I.

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We ended up hanging out with many from the trail group camped nearby as it got late. Great times were had and were really bummed to be heading out the next morning.

We planned on a fairly early departure, but after the night before it was slightly later than planned. Still we got the camper broke down and packed up and said our goodbyes to those that were up and about. We pulled out of the campgound and headed north to get to I-70 for the push home. We made good time and before we knew it we were back in our home state.

We pull off the interstate in Grand Junction for fuel and to part ways with Ron and Mason. We’d be rolling back on US 50 and they’d be getting back on I-70 for Denver. After filling up and exchanging goodbye’s we headed on in to Junction and onward to Montrose again. From there we just cruised driving in and out of a large thunderstorm we ran into in Montrose and dealt with all the way to Salida. We made pretty good time despite a horribly slow stop at a Sonic in Grand Junction for lunch. Still we pulled into the driveway by 4:30 and unpacked.


All in all it was an excellent trip even with the breakage on the last trail day. Ron and his son were great to travel with. Both our boys seemed to speak the same level of sarcasm that kept cracking us up. They got along pretty good for not ever meeting before. We had a great time hanging out and sharing stories and experiences. Ron’s Blazer is a beast for sure and performed well despite the lack of low range. Being able to manhandle it on both trails in high range showed me he could handle the adversity without throwing in the towel. Totally impressed the fan shroud noise and low range issue were the only issues after just completing the drivetrain swap and lift a few weeks before trip. I’d have no problem heading out with Ron again on another trip for a weekend or longer like a desert trip.

Blazer bash itself was a riot. Getting to meet folks I’ve known through the net and seeing the trucks in real life and watching them in action was so cool. The fact that Wade and Mark made sure we kept our home on wheels in one piece was awesome. Not having wheeled with any of these guys I’m sure there was a level of uncertainy on our driving ability or the trucks ability with the houses on the back. I understand the apprehensiveness and appreciated the direction to keep us safe while having fun too. You guys rock. Our rigs are not full on rock crawlers, but feel pretty good about how they did. I need more time on slick rock for sure.


Now to fix the broken axle shaft and prep for maybe one more trail ride before it gets blown apart for the next round of upgrades.
 
When you were talking about trail choices I was thinking that the camper on your K5 might make some obstacles trickier than they might be with a standard K5. The top heavy nature and less clearance than a regular K5 top would add some elements many of us aren't used to. Luckily the trails in Moab are pretty open.
 
When you were talking about trail choices I was thinking that the camper on your K5 might make some obstacles trickier than they might be with a standard K5. The top heavy nature and less clearance than a regular K5 top would add some elements many of us aren't used to. Luckily the trails in Moab are pretty open.
You are totally right, the top heavy nature making the CG just far enough off normal to make the ordinary line somewhat sketchy in our trucks. I think Wade's and Mark's experience here shown through. They had a feeling of how they might behave and suggested the bypass on most of the difficult stuff. If there wasn't a bypass they spotted us. At first, I'll admit there was a couple of sections I felt I could have done at the beginning on hell's, but went with the bypass out of preservation of the truck and not wanting to be "that guy" for not listening and getting out of shape causing a major issue holding the group up. Plus we felt better at proving the right line for Ron to go through with his issue lacking low range and his taller truck. As we found despite Ron and my truck's similarities, they did behave differently.
 
We had a great time hanging out and sharing stories and experiences. Ron’s Blazer is a beast for sure and performed well despite the lack of low range. Being able to manhandle it on both trails in high range showed me he could handle the adversity without throwing in the towel. Totally impressed the fan shroud noise and low range issue were the only issues after just completing the drivetrain swap and lift a few weeks before trip. I’d have no problem heading out with Ron again on another trip for a weekend or longer like a desert trip.

Right back at ya Rob. Me and Mason had a great time and it was truly a great experience wheeling with you,
Robbie and the rest of the CK5 crew. The way Robbie the Rabbit Cameraman was running around getting great shots was unbelievable. He is a great kid and very smart. The wheeling was challenging and I learned alot about what my rig needs and the few things I did right. The steaks and beverages on Saturday night and bench racing/wheeling with @onetonbb74 and @oatsk5 after a day on the trail was a great way to end the day. I am really looking forward to joining you guys on more adventures.

Did you get a new axle/joint yet?
 
Right back at ya Rob. Me and Mason had a great time and it was truly a great experience wheeling with you,
Robbie and the rest of the CK5 crew. The way Robbie the Rabbit Cameraman was running around getting great shots was unbelievable. He is a great kid and very smart. The wheeling was challenging and I learned alot about what my rig needs and the few things I did right. The steaks and beverages on Saturday night and bench racing/wheeling with @onetonbb74 and @oatsk5 after a day on the trail was a great way to end the day. I am really looking forward to joining you guys on more adventures.

Did you get a new axle/joint yet?

There will be more adventures for sure. We just need to get some planned! We had a great time Saturday night too. Made leaving Sunday a little later because of it!

I might have a line on a shaft assembly. If you have one in the bosses pile of parts at work let me know. The main fix will be chromo shafts unless a 60 shows up for an insanely cheap price. As we all know, a 60 for cheap probably needs to be rebuilt with a big investment in bearings, seals, kingpins and possible regearing. So it's not as budget-friendly as it seems. I'll just get the shafts and move on.
 
There will be more adventures for sure. We just need to get some planned! We had a great time Saturday night too. Made leaving Sunday a little later because of it!

I might have a line on a shaft assembly. If you have one in the bosses pile of parts at work let me know. The main fix will be chromo shafts unless a 60 shows up for an insanely cheap price. As we all know, a 60 for cheap probably needs to be rebuilt with a big investment in bearings, seals, kingpins and possible regearing. So it's not as budget-friendly as it seems. I'll just get the shafts and move on.
I advise you to look into rcp shafts.
Not cheap but neither are chromo shafts but you end up with a better design with cv shafts.
Last I checked they were $1350 for the pair d44/10bolt.
That's what I will get.
I have been trying to find another company with a similar product maybe there would be some competition but alas no one else felt the need.
 
I advise you to look into rcp shafts.
Not cheap but neither are chromo shafts but you end up with a better design with cv shafts.
Last I checked they were $1350 for the pair d44/10bolt.
That's what I will get.
I have been trying to find another company with a similar product maybe there would be some competition but alas no one else felt the need.
I've looked into RCV's. No doubt they are probably the most bulletproof option out there. Just way outside of the budget with the 8.1 swap coming quickly. It's chromo's or stockpiling on OEM shafts to carry with me and be ready to swap out on the trail. I'd just rather not spend the little time I do get to go wheeling sitting in the dirt on my butt swapping out yet another busted stock shaft. So the Chromo's go in and the stockers get stuffed into the bench for spares.
 
I've looked into RCV's. No doubt they are probably the most bulletproof option out there. Just way outside of the budget with the 8.1 swap coming quickly. It's chromo's or stockpiling on OEM shafts to carry with me and be ready to swap out on the trail. I'd just rather not spend the little time I do get to go wheeling sitting in the dirt on my butt swapping out yet another busted stock shaft. So the Chromo's go in and the stockers get stuffed into the bench for spares.
Remember chromos are without the u joints.
Add up all the cost you're not far off
I would wait and put my money once on the right parts
 
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